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Breaking America's grip on the net (US FORCED to give up control of the Internet?)
http://technology.guardian.co.uk/weekly/story/0,16376,1585288,00.html ^ | October 6, 2005 | Kieren McCarthy

Posted on 10/06/2005 5:55:46 PM PDT by Blogger

Breaking America's grip on the net

After troubled negotiations in Geneva, the US may be forced to relinquish control of the internet to a coalition of governments

Kieren McCarthy Thursday October 6, 2005 The Guardian

You would expect an announcement that would forever change the face of the internet to be a grand affair - a big stage, spotlights, media scrums and a charismatic frontman working the crowd. But unless you knew where he was sitting, all you got was David Hendon's slightly apprehensive voice through a beige plastic earbox. The words were calm, measured and unexciting, but their implications will be felt for generations to come.

Hendon is the Department for Trade and Industry's director of business relations and was in Geneva representing the UK government and European Union at the third and final preparatory meeting for next month's World Summit on the Information Society. He had just announced a political coup over the running of the internet.

Old allies in world politics, representatives from the UK and US sat just feet away from each other, but all looked straight ahead as Hendon explained the EU had decided to end the US government's unilateral control of the internet and put in place a new body that would now run this revolutionary communications medium.

The issue of who should control the net had proved an extremely divisive issue, and for 11 days the world's governments traded blows. For the vast majority of people who use the internet, the only real concern is getting on it. But with the internet now essential to countries' basic infrastructure - Brazil relies on it for 90% of its tax collection - the question of who has control has become critical.

And the unwelcome answer for many is that it is the US government. In the early days, an enlightened Department of Commerce (DoC) pushed and funded expansion of the internet. And when it became global, it created a private company, the Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers (Icann) to run it.

But the DoC retained overall control, and in June stated what many had always feared: that it would retain indefinite control of the internet's foundation - its "root servers", which act as the basic directory for the whole internet.

A number of countries represented in Geneva, including Brazil, China, Cuba, Iran and several African states, insisted the US give up control, but it refused. The meeting "was going nowhere", Hendon says, and so the EU took a bold step and proposed two stark changes: a new forum that would decide public policy, and a "cooperation model" comprising governments that would be in overall charge.

Much to the distress of the US, the idea proved popular. Its representative hit back, stating that it "can't in any way allow any changes" that went against the "historic role" of the US in controlling the top level of the internet.

But the refusal to budge only strengthened opposition, and now the world's governments are expected to agree a deal to award themselves ultimate control. It will be officially raised at a UN summit of world leaders next month and, faced with international consensus, there is little the US government can do but acquiesce.

But will this move mean, as the US ambassador David Gross argued, that "even on technical details, the industry will have to follow government-set policies, UN-set policies"?

No, according to Nitin Desai, the UN's special adviser on internet governance. "There is clearly an acceptance here that governments are not concerned with the technical and operational management of the internet. Standards are set by the users."

Hendon is also adamant: "The really important point is that the EU doesn't want to see this change as bringing new government control over the internet. Governments will only be involved where they need to be and only on issues setting the top-level framework."

Human rights

But expert and author of Ruling the Root, Milton Mueller, is not so sure. An overseeing council "could interfere with standards. What would stop it saying 'when you're making this standard for data transfer you have to include some kind of surveillance for law enforcement'?"

Then there is human rights. China has attracted criticism for filtering content from the net within its borders. Tunisia - host of the World Summit - has also come under attack for silencing online voices. Mueller doesn't see a governmental overseeing council having any impact: "What human rights groups want is for someone to be able to bring some kind of enforceable claim to stop them violating people's rights. But how's that going to happen? I can't see that a council is going to be able to improve the human rights situation."

And what about business? Will a governmental body running the internet add unnecessary bureaucracy or will it bring clarity and a coherent system? Mueller is unsure: "The idea of the council is so vague. It's not clear to me that governments know what to do about anything at this stage apart from get in the way of things that other people do."

There are still dozens of unanswered questions but all the answers are pointing the same way: international governments deciding the internet's future. The internet will never be the same again.


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KEYWORDS: davos; globalism; internet; oneworld; rootservers; soros; sovereignty; un; us
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To: SauronOfMordor

That's right. As usual, it's all about the $$$. Now that the UN oil-for-food pot 'o gold scam has dried up, the vampires are out scavenging. And of course they want to censor, especially China. Who knows, maybe China (and some other exemplary nations like Iran) have promised some kickbacks if this stunt can be pulled off. Follow the money trail...


61 posted on 10/06/2005 8:37:26 PM PDT by khnyny (all glory is fleeting)
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To: JSteff

Money isn't the only thing they are after. The Chinese would love to limit content as well.


62 posted on 10/06/2005 8:39:21 PM PDT by Blogger
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To: pickrell

Yup, just one salvo, you're right. We create and the laggards around the world start whining.

MM


63 posted on 10/06/2005 8:43:28 PM PDT by MississippiMan (Behold now behemoth...he moves his tail like a cedar. Job 40:17)
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To: sourcery
Anyone who wants to can set up a root server, and that's always been the case. There have actually been previous attempts to do just that. All have failed. It's not a matter of law. It's not even a technical issue. It's a social one. You can't force anyone to use any particular root server. Each internet user has the power to use whatever root servers he or she prefers (although few know anything about this, or how to do it.)

So this dispute will be decided by the market.


You just announced a political coup over the running of the internet [sic]. If the brassy little man known as David Hendon kisses my ring on bended knee while offering up $$$ to me as an incentive fee I may just append his server's IPs to my /etc/namedb/master/named.root.
64 posted on 10/06/2005 8:50:58 PM PDT by Milhous
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To: penowa; All

Actually, a new fiber optic network was just
tested that can transmit whole movies in a
matter of seconds.

But here is an interesting story related to our
topic:

http://news.zdnet.com/2100-1009_22-5889592.html


65 posted on 10/06/2005 8:52:58 PM PDT by NickatNite2003
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To: Blogger

How, exactly are these weenies going to "force" the USA to do anything?

Go ahead, build your own, Aholes.


66 posted on 10/06/2005 10:10:47 PM PDT by porkchops 4 mahound (Note to weenies, go pound sand.)
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To: konaice

Sad


67 posted on 10/06/2005 10:12:58 PM PDT by JSteff
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To: Blogger

"The Chinese would love to limit content as well."

The money is first though. The content can be controlled at any time, in many ways. If in one swoop they can get the US to start paying taxes to the UN they get an administrative "in" to the US.

The democrats have been doing this for years. If you tax something you need officials and programs to be sure you are getting all the tax and that the tax is going to the "right" uses. So you also have records of where users go and what they see.

With the records and monitoring comes control of content. But first get the money so you can make your government agency even bigger and better at monitor and control functions.

It always comes back to the money when government is involved.


68 posted on 10/06/2005 10:20:25 PM PDT by JSteff
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To: porkchops 4 mahound

How are you going to stop them from
seizing *A* building in their own county?


69 posted on 10/06/2005 11:59:01 PM PDT by NickatNite2003
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To: NickatNite2003
I respectfully suggest that the critical hardware of the Internet for the USA does not extend to buildings in other countries.

Sure that country could disconnect from the web. How exactly is that going to hurt us?

You do realize that the web was designed to survive multiple nuclear hits right? That by design the web is "diffused"?

Who cares if we can't get French or ChiCom websites for example?
70 posted on 10/07/2005 1:36:57 AM PDT by porkchops 4 mahound (Note to Euro-droids et. al., go pound sand.)
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To: Blogger

"If YOU want an internet, go build one yourself, Socialist scum..."

71 posted on 10/07/2005 2:46:24 AM PDT by Caipirabob (Democrats.. Socialists..Commies..Traitors...Who can tell the difference?)
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To: mrmargaritaville

Yup he invented it and therefore,they have "no controlling legal authority".


72 posted on 10/07/2005 2:59:40 AM PDT by Nooseman
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To: porkchops 4 mahound

In a way i agreee with you. While most internet
traffic, tends to be "local" as in by country
and region, there is no unique hardware made
in only the US that maintains the WWW, a great
deal of the traffic that is *not* "local"
involves US sites, and commerce with US companies.

There is no technical barrier to other countries
maintaining a network, independant of US controlled
TLDs and oversight, but it defeats the promise
of the Internet by cutting off access and opportunities
by doing so.

Sure, since as stated before, US citizens mostly
visit US websites, French visit mostly French websites,
etc...The US could cut off it's connections to foriegn
Servers, and even build a bigger better faster
Internet 2.0..or 3.0...but it is intrinsically
a limiting action. and as you say, as each squabbling
country/bloc decides that they must have/remake the "Internet" in their own image, interoperability
will break down....and there is litle good that comes from that other than some paranoids around the world, feeling "safer" because they can control the information
traveling on their truncated and annexed "piece" of the "net". Instead of being the great leveler of
opportunities, that it has been, it would become a great isolator, and diminisher of opportuntes.


73 posted on 10/07/2005 7:49:27 AM PDT by NickatNite2003
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To: NickatNite2003
I agree. A divided, or fractured, web is a failure, or at least a diminution of the true promise of the net.

But what the heck are you going to do? We live in the real world.

We in the USA cannot control what other nations do.

It is doubtful that the rest of the world will accept our First Amendment, not when the majority of the world's governments are pointedly NOT fans of free discourse.

The danger is, that to "get along", we will "go along"; we Americans will be forced to accept their censored and sanitized versions of the web.

Look at the way both Microsoft and Goggle already have behaved in Communist China. They see money if they help these bloody tyrants remain in control.

Money is money, and money is more important to too many people than Liberty is.
74 posted on 10/07/2005 1:44:38 PM PDT by porkchops 4 mahound ("Sic Semper Tyrannis!")
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