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To: Red6

Nah, uhm, there´re many points you raise that I don´t share. First of all, it is not acceptable to compare President Bush to Hitler, and especially not in Germany. Secondly, the pipeline is not a second Stalin pact - it avoids fees for Germany and does not affect other than financial interests of the Poles. However, it makes us depending on Russian gas - that´s why I´m reluctant to support it. And third, it´s a left magazine, what do you expect? You can find similar articles about the Senates decision for instance in the NYT.


20 posted on 10/06/2005 2:10:52 PM PDT by Michael81Dus
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To: Michael81Dus

I agree with all you said.

However--- Spiegel is one of the more popular magazines and the opinions presented in it are largely those that the people share.

The point of the Post (removed) was to give concrete examples in one day in one magazine. There is nothing relative, abstract or questionable about it. For MOST of the people in Germany there is a living breathing America hating monster alive within the psyche. Their infatuation with America has “fetish” proportions!

Realize I’m not talking about you here. But again, why did the SPD overtly and partly covertly harp on an anti-American agenda right before the election? Why waste time and money on something that won’t bring election results? In 2005, as in 2002 they used the anti-American undertones in this society to gain political capital. Worse yet, it worked! So what will this do for the future?

The difference between today and 30 years ago is that the American public is beginning to see what the Germans say, write, and yes, believe in. Our MSM didn’t show the anti-war demonstrations in Germany in the 60s, they didn’t really show the Fischer’s on the fences of US installations in the 80s. They didn't show what was written in the German papers when we bombed Libya or invaded Panama. The tone of the US should change. What is happening today is that through the Internet and satellite TV Americans (The populace in the Continental USA) see and hear what our “friends” say. Slowly the image of the Germans in the US is going pungent, and frankly this is right! You can't spew venom for years and expect other to like you.

Red6


43 posted on 10/06/2005 2:55:36 PM PDT by Red6
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To: Michael81Dus
I'm mostly German; my earliest ancestors here came from England and fought in the Revolutionary War.

I thought you would get a kick out of this story. In the 1870's, my GGG Grandfather Heinrich came to American from Germany to farm. His cousin had come ahead and settled in Iowa (still completely wild prairie territory at the time).

He was from right near the border with Denmark, and left his fiance, Sophia Margaretha, in Germany. We have photos taken of her and her family before she left. There was a photo of her (by herself), and a photo of her brother and parents...both taken at a city studio. It is obvious from the photos that they were quite well-off city folk.

After he arrived in Iowa, he sent for her to join him. She was 20 years old; and traveled by herself from Germany to the East Coast and then to Iowa. Once she arrived they were married and started farming in the most primitive part of Iowa. She lived in a little "shack" in Indian territory, in the middle of nowhere. We figure the "separate pictures" were symbolic of the fact that she was leaving...KNOWING that she would never see her family again. Can you imagine?

What a love that must have been...and what a gal she was! We still have some of the things that they brought with them.

71 posted on 10/06/2005 11:04:29 PM PDT by garandgal
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