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Microsoft's Linux-related patents rejected
Cnet ^ | 5 October 2005 | Ina Fried

Posted on 10/06/2005 8:45:52 AM PDT by ShadowAce

The U.S. Patent Office has rejected two Microsoft patents over the FAT file format, but the software maker said Wednesday that it's not ready to give up its battle to protect its widely used method for storing data.

The patent office delivered its ruling late last month but made it public this week. With one of the patents, the decision is what's considered a final rejection, while with another it's considered nonfinal. In both cases, Microsoft has the ability to pursue its claims further.

The rejections come after a re-examination of the patents was sought by the Public Patent Foundation, which argued that they were invalid because there was "prior art," that is, evidence that others had done similar work before Microsoft's patent application. A U.S. Patent Office examiner issued a preliminary rejection of one Microsoft patent in September 2004.

Though developed for Windows, the FAT format has become a common means of storing files on all manner of computers, as well as on removable flash memory cards used in digital cameras and other devices. It is also used by the open-source Samba software that lets Linux and Unix computers exchange data with Windows computers, and by Linux itself to read and write files on Windows hard drives.

There has been concern that if the FAT patents are upheld, Microsoft may claim that Linux infringes on Microsoft technology and will seek a royalty. Any monetary compensation could threaten the operating system, which under General Public License (GPL) terms may not be distributed if it contains patented technology that requires royalty payments.

A Microsoft representative said Wednesday that the company considers the latest rejections somewhat of a victory because the examiners have rejected the prior-art claims. Microsoft said the latest rejections are centered on how the inventor of the patents is listed.

"None of the prior art submitted by the Public Patent Foundation stood up under examination," Microsoft Director of Business Development David Kaefer said in a statement. "The issues that have come up in these re-examinations have nothing to do with (non-Microsoft) prior art. Instead, the issues involve a question over whom--at Microsoft--should be properly listed as an inventor."

A Public Patent Foundation representative was not immediately available for comment.

Microsoft announced plans to license the FAT format in December 2003, as part of a stepped-up intellectual-property licensing push. It announced at the time that flash memory seller Lexar Media was taking a license for its FAT format technology.


TOPICS: Technical
KEYWORDS: avarice; billgatesbestfriends; fat; linux; microsoft; microsofttrolls; patent; windowsshills
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To: Knitebane
You forgot ... Edward M. Kennedy and Hillary Rodham Clinton

That's not fair.  If you compare MS to Hillary and Teddy I have no choice but to agree with you that MS is evil and you know it!  That's playing dirty.  =)

41 posted on 10/06/2005 10:25:01 AM PDT by softwarecreator (Facts are to liberals as holy water is to vampires.)
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To: softwarecreator
And MS does not sell their OS in China, they only give it away for free?

Microsoft gave their source code to the government of the PRC. You know, the very same source code that they refuse to let Americans see.

They howled that revealing the inner workings of their OS would be a security liablity when the DOJ wanted to see inside of it. Then they gave to the Chicoms.

Or did you forget that?

42 posted on 10/06/2005 10:25:26 AM PDT by Knitebane (Happily Microsoft free since 1999.)
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To: softwarecreator
Trying to put a patent on technology is business.

So is trying to sell drugs to little kids.

Business does not mean something is not evil. I do agree with you that this fails the 'evil' test in the biblical sense but it is most defiantly wrong!

43 posted on 10/06/2005 10:28:41 AM PDT by N3WBI3 (If SCO wants to go fishing they should buy a permit and find a lake like the rest of us..)
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To: softwarecreator
Awww man, now I gotta give back the "MS-Drone" badge they give you at the graduation ceremony.

Sell it on eBay.

You can get a great price if you package it with the official MCSE kneepads.

One day they'll be quite rare, like my "Visicalc Forever" tie tac.

44 posted on 10/06/2005 10:29:24 AM PDT by Knitebane (Happily Microsoft free since 1999.)
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To: softwarecreator

"Well at least you had the courtesy to capitalize "turd". Thanks!"

I wouldn't want to be disrespectful.


45 posted on 10/06/2005 10:29:59 AM PDT by brownsfan (It's not a war on terror... it's a war with islam.)
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To: chilepepper
they have developed nothing particularly innovative except for their EULA,

95% of Office users don't need the most recent edition or even the third most recent edition. Microsoft main field of innovation is in EULA and clamping down on pirates. Microsoft boosted it's bottom line immensely by making WinXP very difficult (but not impossible) to install on more than one machine for a home user while it was easy on all Windows prior to that. For a home or small business user. A business/corporate user who pirated Win 98 would be in trouble too if detected.

I hear the latest editions of Office are very hard to install on more than one computer

46 posted on 10/06/2005 10:30:42 AM PDT by dennisw (You shouldn't let other people get your kicks for you - Bob Dylan)
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To: dennisw
It's the old drug dealer's trick.

Let 'em have it for free for a while. Once they're hooked you'll have a customer for life.

47 posted on 10/06/2005 10:32:20 AM PDT by Knitebane (Happily Microsoft free since 1999.)
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To: Knitebane
Or did you forget that?

China would represent billions of $$$ in sales revenue if MS can get a dominant share of that market.  If I remember correctly they gave them specific pieces of the code to check for potential security concerns, not the whole bundle.

I do understand what point you are making, and you are correct in you assessment.  I just would not say that the motives are "evil".

48 posted on 10/06/2005 10:33:52 AM PDT by softwarecreator (Facts are to liberals as holy water is to vampires.)
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To: Knitebane
You can get a great price if you package it with the official MCSE kneepads.

LOL!!  Glad I'm not an MCSE!

49 posted on 10/06/2005 10:36:14 AM PDT by softwarecreator (Facts are to liberals as holy water is to vampires.)
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To: Knitebane
Let 'em have it for free for a while. Once they're hooked you'll have a customer for life.

Isn't that what some distributors of linux are doing?  RedHat immediately comes to mind.

50 posted on 10/06/2005 10:38:18 AM PDT by softwarecreator (Facts are to liberals as holy water is to vampires.)
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To: N3WBI3
In the 50's GM built the Corvair.  It had a tendency to flip over if you went too fast around a curve killing the occupants.  GM knew about it but ignored the memos sent by the engineering dept.

That is evil.  MS doesn't compare.

51 posted on 10/06/2005 10:42:15 AM PDT by softwarecreator (Facts are to liberals as holy water is to vampires.)
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To: softwarecreator

As an MCSE, and an MCDBA I can tell you I have no knee pads ;)


52 posted on 10/06/2005 10:50:51 AM PDT by N3WBI3 (If SCO wants to go fishing they should buy a permit and find a lake like the rest of us..)
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To: softwarecreator
I just said that I don't think this instance rises to the level of evil. It is a touch higher than scummy..
53 posted on 10/06/2005 10:56:21 AM PDT by N3WBI3 (If SCO wants to go fishing they should buy a permit and find a lake like the rest of us..)
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To: ShadowAce

54 posted on 10/06/2005 11:24:31 AM PDT by Ocracoke Island
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To: N3WBI3
I just said that I don't think this instance rises to the level of evil. It is a touch higher than scummy..

Okay, scummy seems to fit.  But in the end it all comes down to capitalism.  Very few major companies are 100% "scum" free.  MS isn't the only one.

55 posted on 10/06/2005 12:59:47 PM PDT by softwarecreator (Facts are to liberals as holy water is to vampires.)
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To: softwarecreator

I would say finding an ethical company is hard, scummy is a grade or two lower and while there is company for MS there its not most companies..


56 posted on 10/06/2005 1:29:16 PM PDT by N3WBI3 (If SCO wants to go fishing they should buy a permit and find a lake like the rest of us..)
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To: ShadowAce; N3WBI3
I don't know, but is this MS's utterly sick, twisted, and evil way of trying to pop Linux? Heck, hit them in the pocketbook--then their own licensing forbids distribution; or so their reasoning goes...

Kinda goes along with the whole pattern: Gates buying DOS and patenting it, Lattice C (Visual C++), Spyglass, Vermeer (FrontPage) and WebTV (among others)...

And, if something poses a threat to M$, threaten to damage the competition by contracts or by releasing competing products--i.e. Netscape and Citrix.

To add to the MS irony, it's been mentioned before on these threads that Windows contains code licensed by the Regents of the University of California--I believe it's in "ftp.exe" about 3/4 down...

Finally, I must ask: is it becoming clear? Right or wrong, MS clearly sees Linux as its biggest roadblock to maintaining its monopoly, and is going to take it out at just about all costs. And in my opinion, I believe Linux is going to see the same playbook that MS used in their attempts to kill Netscape, Spyglass, and Citrix with.

But Linux IMO has several aces in the hole over Windows, and thus I believe that Linux will weather, if not grow stronger in the end. Education is key--being able to show the Joe Sixpack users as well as the IT execs that Linux is the clear choice in servers and desktops.

57 posted on 10/06/2005 2:02:33 PM PDT by rzeznikj at stout (Liberalism: How can we stick our feet in our mouth today??)
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To: softwarecreator
Awww man, now I gotta give back the "MS-Drone" badge they give you at the graduation ceremony.

I kept mine. It's framed on the wall under my other now worthless credential - Compaq Certified Technician

58 posted on 10/06/2005 3:36:49 PM PDT by ExDemSince92 (/* You are not expected to understand this */)
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To: softwarecreator

Imagine if the Corsair were revived and the firmware ROMs were written by Microsoft...

The thing would be a four-wheeled genocide machine.


59 posted on 10/06/2005 3:40:18 PM PDT by ExDemSince92 (/* You are not expected to understand this */)
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To: N3WBI3
As an MCSE, and an MCDBA I can tell you I have no knee pads ;)

So....you're a midget or your rep is very very tall.

*ducks*

60 posted on 10/06/2005 3:42:56 PM PDT by ExDemSince92 (/* You are not expected to understand this */)
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