Free Republic
Browse · Search
News/Activism
Topics · Post Article

Skip to comments.

The Free Republic Controversy

Posted on 10/05/2005 11:11:28 PM PDT by John Robinson

The Free Republic Controversy

Money is often the center-point or at least the lead-pipe of any good controversy. This is perfectly illustrated in the battle of (or against) Free Republic. A number of the site's detractors have repeatedly "demonstrated" that Free Republic is bilking thousands from little old ladies in a Jimmy Bakker-esque scam. I will offer a counterpoint for thought.

In this article I will attempt to justify some of that cost. Some? Despite popular conception, I am only an ancillary participant in the internal operations of the site, and therefore I simply do not know where every dollar is spent. However, I can tell you where and why exactly $6,700 is spent every month.

My father is Jim Robinson. I do contract work for him/Free Republic via my company cobbled together to support such activities. I do not speak for my father nor for Free Republic (LLC or .com) nor for any participant of the site.

Question: $72,000? Sniff Test!!

The question on seemingly everybody's mind. How much does it cost to run Free Republic? It's just a dumb website, right? Anybody can host their dumb ol' website for thirty bucks, so why are they asking for $22,000 (give or take) every freakin' month? Sniff Test!!

Answer: Size Matters

The site is huge, hosts nearly 1.5 million articles, more than 30 million comments, and easily does two to three million page views daily. Infrastructure of this scale "do(es) not grow on trees" as Skinner, admin of DemocraticUnderground.com--the antithesis of FreeRepublic.com, points out.

First I will touch on the scale of computing resources required to run a large database-driven dynamic website. Dynamic, every page view runs database queries and Perl-language software. With two to three million page views per day, custom-tailored to the preferences of the reader, we require two database servers and three web servers to drive the site and afford headroom when traffic spikes (Katrina, election cycles, 9/11--we do our best to keep the site running during these peak loads.) An additional front-end machine serves static content (some images and html pages.) We also host a secure server for credit card donations on a separate machine. Finally, an additional machine is left to toil on administrative tasks. That's 2 + 3 + 1 + 1 + 1 = 8 machines. Hardware is not free. Fortunately, for the most part it is a one-time expense addressed in the budget as a $300 line item (see Equip, Maintenance and Repairs) and an occassional higher quartery fundraising goal for special purchases.

$2,700 Here

This delivers the discussion to the next point of scale I need to make. Network resources. To be honest, I don't know how many gigabytes of data we push out each day. It's not an important figure. We've contracted with Verio for co-location and bandwidth, and we measure megabits per second. The site sustains in excess of 10 Mbps throughout most of the day. For that, and a full cabinet to store our equipment, Verio charges exactly $2,700 monthly. Down from $7,000/mo for a similar UUNET setup in 2001. It is important to note that this is a guaranteed 10 Mbps of throughput--reserved for us, to deliver Internet content. Many web hosts will advertise 100 Mbps service for some low-low price. They may not be telling you, or not upfront about, the fact that their bandwidth is shared by thousands of clients. You will see only a fraction of that, there is no guarantee you will be able to handle sudden traffic bursts effectively. Anyway, the point I'm making here is that it doesn't matter if you're allocated a googol of gigabytes by your web host if you're only able to push out a trickle due to burdened connectivity.

$4,000 There

The last subject I will touch upon is a matter of human resources. If the previously enumerated resources are sometimes overlooked, the HR issue is almost always overlooked. If it sounds like whining, well, I apologize in advance, the subject affects me directly.

It takes time to manage servers, to patch systems and troubleshoot issues. Free Republic, LLC owns eight machines, I oversee those, plus three other machines that assist Free Republic in some form. My day-to-day activities include: keeping abreast of the latest public security exploits and determining if they affect operations, and occassionally patching systems of said defects, monitoring network and server health, analyzing odd-ball traffic (sometimes indicates security threat), toubleshooting performance issues, keeping up with news from the distros and software we leverage, planning upgrade paths, and exploring software that will aid in these goals.

I program. I write and maintain software that is used directly and indirectly by the site. From the very visible forum software to the invisible mechanics lurking below. From the website's moderator tools to the low-level sysadmin tools. Features, big and small and mis-. I take care of it all. Including a years-in-the-making revisioning of the software. All the while, my #1 goal is to minimize interruption of ongoing operations. (Oh! How I wish to be able to take the site down for a week and refactor the database schema!) And, while I'm not much of a website designer, I do design and write the HTML, and attempt to architect the information in the best manner possible (at least the revisioning will.)

Also, I--well, my better part, Tami--deals with contract negotiations for bandwidth, credit card processing (a web of external entities in itself), obtaining and maintaining our secure certificate, domain names, hardware purchases, etc. She's an ever-present influence in the behind-the-scenes matters, from discussions of FR direction and focus, to how she dislikes a thin dashed gray line on some new page I've designed. Her input is manifold and not to be discounted.

She and I are Robinson-DeFehr Consulting, and we're consuming $4,000 every month of the $22,000 to be raised.

Now, I do not slave over the site every day for 16+ hours 7 days a week 365.24 days a year. Sometimes I do little at all. At other times, I burn the midnight oil either because I feel inspired or because I'm fighting a fire or simply because that's the only opportuntity I have to impact the site with a server-intensive task. I figure I owe 30 hours a week, I aim for that and anything else I do is simply because I enjoy what I do. $48,000/year is justified: I pay my own income taxes, including the employer's side of FICA, I pay my own health benefits, I purchase my own resources (computers I personally use, books, lots of books), my business must carry liability insurance and we pay the "LLC" tax. Subtract those costs of doing business and it works out to a fair and comparable salary.

Or, $6,700 Total

In sum, that's six-thousand seven hundred accounted and justified dollars alleged to be somewhere between $30 to a "generous" $600 by some of the site's detractors. They smoke crack.

Hidden Costs

This article serves merely as a demonstration of "hidden costs." The site does not accept commercial advertising, its sole revenue stream is through reader donations. Large sites have the same costs, if not more (we try to do things on the cheap.) These sites often rely upon commercial advertising to offset the costs of operation. Advertising is a big business, and successful sites are good earners, able to offset operations costs and turn a profit. In one form or another it's all advertising. Free Republic's advertising is simply more explicit: we need $X for Y period of service. Few see a banner ad as representing tens of thousands of dollars every month.

Consider other non-obvious costs and $22,000 is not a far out figure.


TOPICS: Free Republic
KEYWORDS: faq; thanks
Navigation: use the links below to view more comments.
first 1-2021-4041-6061-80 ... 281-287 next last
I wrote this article to address funding concerns being raised by some folks and to pull the rug out from underneath other arguments made against Free Republic (or against Jim Robinson and myself) that hinge on the basis that we lie about the cost of running the site.

The article was originally published on my Wikipedia Talk page. I linked to the page history for the above posted version. A more current (or commented or defaced) version may appear at a later period in time. In fact, I expect it to be heavily criticized simply for the subject matter. So please be sure to check out the head revision as well.

This is not a fundraising thread. I was inspired to write this article based on a criticism aired on DU (as linked above.) I'm posting it here because it is a valid concern and may be of interest to our readers.

1 posted on 10/05/2005 11:11:28 PM PDT by John Robinson
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | View Replies]

Comment #2 Removed by Moderator

To: John Robinson

Bookmarking


3 posted on 10/05/2005 11:15:58 PM PDT by RushCrush (I miss Reagan.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: John Robinson

You have nothing to explain.

Don't let the enemies of FR put you on the defensive.

Nobody is twisting anyone's arm to contribute, it's purely voluntary.

FR is very effective in countering liberal propaganda with the website and activism. That is what really bothers those who would like it to fold. And those will always find something to criticize and attack.


4 posted on 10/05/2005 11:16:43 PM PDT by FairOpinion
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: John Robinson

Already posted here: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1497498/posts

(J/K - thanks for the info, but you don't owe anyone an explanation!)


5 posted on 10/05/2005 11:17:51 PM PDT by BreitbartSentMe (Ex-Democrat since 2001)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: John Robinson
Question: (and probably a very dumb question- as it has been asked before but I have never seen an answer)....why not accept sponsors or advertisers? Specifically chosen, of course..... why not offer ad time for FReepers who have legitimate business they'd like to advertise.

I know I would prefer to patronize a FReeper's business, if at all possible, and I'm sure FR could use the $.

Just my opinion/question.

6 posted on 10/05/2005 11:18:11 PM PDT by RushCrush (Still pondering what I think about on Harriet. Stay tuned for decision.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Texas Termite; LaDivaLoca; wingnuts'nbolts; manna; Okies love Dubya 2; Fawnn; ...

Free Republic Ping.


7 posted on 10/05/2005 11:19:29 PM PDT by Brad’s Gramma
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: John Robinson

Do not worry about the Wikipedia thing. If you search for Rush Limbaugh on there, one of the linked articles is entitled "Fascism: An Exegesis".

This is the best place of its kind on the net, bar none.


8 posted on 10/05/2005 11:19:39 PM PDT by AZ_Cowboy ("Be ever vigilant, for you know not when the master is coming")
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: John Robinson

I got a recommendation, how about having the control links at the top float down as you scroll down, rather than stay at the top? It would make life easier.


9 posted on 10/05/2005 11:21:59 PM PDT by Tulsa Ramjet (If not now, when?)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: John Robinson

John, those trolling threads were nothing but amusing looks at how stupid some people are.

They fail to take into account all your costs and the time involved for a job that can find you missing out of a family function at a moment's notice because the site has crashed.

In fact, I'm amazed that a site that gets this much traffic can run for so little. That alone is the credit to the frugality of the operators of the site.

Okay, I'm done brown nosing now...good job, and don't worry about having to justify yourselves. Your results speak for themselves.


10 posted on 10/05/2005 11:22:33 PM PDT by flashbunny (Suggested New RNC Slogan: "The Republican Party: Who else you gonna vote for?")
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: FairOpinion

John, you are being paid too little. My son handles work like yours and tells me about the kinds of problems encountered.

Free Republic is a superb site. I use it every day, many times per day.


11 posted on 10/05/2005 11:22:42 PM PDT by sine_nomine (CBS' Mary Mapes: "It dawned on me that I was present at the birth of a political jihad.")
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 4 | View Replies]

To: John Robinson
Yeah, but what about the underground secret headquarters? The orbital observation satellite array? The Viking Kitty lycra jumpsuits? These things cost MONEY!

My thanks to you and your father, for the work you do - I am proud to be an automatic donator to FreeRepublic. After all, there is nothing sadder than a wet, cold, hungry Viking Kitty...

12 posted on 10/05/2005 11:23:37 PM PDT by AzSteven
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

Comment #13 Removed by Moderator

To: John Robinson; JustAmy; The Sailor; txradioguy; Jet Jaguar; Defender2; Blue Scourge; ...

Support Free Republic! PING




ATTN : All Webmasters

Put links to
http://www.freerepublic.com
from your sites.

And put Free Republic in your meta tags and text.

Commercial and Non Commercial Sites

I have had a link on one of my commercial sites
that has a news page on it since Nov '98

This one page generates about 20 unique visitors to FR each week.

(I'm a leading search engine page ranking expert and STUDY all my sites stats.)

It's still there.

Working 24/7 on the internet.

New exposure will help get new FReepers AND raise funds.


14 posted on 10/05/2005 11:24:25 PM PDT by 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub (Support Free Republic!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: John Robinson; Jim Robinson

FRee Republic=Priceless


15 posted on 10/05/2005 11:27:03 PM PDT by Mister Baredog (("It dawned on me that I was present at the birth of a political jihad."))
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: John Robinson
A number of the site's detractors have repeatedly "demonstrated" that Free Republic is bilking thousands from little old ladies in a Jimmy Bakker-esque scam.

I've never understood this argument. What's wrong with making money. Or to paraphrase Don Barzini -- certainly, you can present a bill for your services. After all, we are not Communists.

16 posted on 10/05/2005 11:27:36 PM PDT by vbmoneyspender
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: John Robinson; Jim Robinson; PJ-Comix; Brad's Gramma; All
Dear John,

(I always wanted to write a dear John letter -- you're the first in my life to get one.)

You do not owe me or anyone else an explanation regarding why you are raising money to run FreeRepublic.com. As for the DUmmies, well sir, they are and always will be:


17 posted on 10/05/2005 11:29:58 PM PDT by Cindy
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: John Robinson

"They smoke crack", LOL. Ya think? :-)

Don't know much about bandwidth, costs, etc.

*Do* know y'all are doing a mighty fine job here.
Thank you all, and keep up the good work.

[salutes]


18 posted on 10/05/2005 11:30:40 PM PDT by pillut48 (CJ in TX)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: RushCrush
"I know I would prefer to patronize a FReeper's business, if at all possible, and I'm sure FR could use the $."

I would too. But there are some anti-American left-wing fascist who would do harm and damage to anyone who supports America the way the FReepers do.
19 posted on 10/05/2005 11:31:25 PM PDT by YOUGOTIT
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 6 | View Replies]

To: John Robinson

Thanks. It sounds entirely justifiable and honest.


20 posted on 10/05/2005 11:33:56 PM PDT by FreedomCalls (It's the "Statue of Liberty," not the "Statue of Security.")
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]


Navigation: use the links below to view more comments.
first 1-2021-4041-6061-80 ... 281-287 next last

Disclaimer: Opinions posted on Free Republic are those of the individual posters and do not necessarily represent the opinion of Free Republic or its management. All materials posted herein are protected by copyright law and the exemption for fair use of copyrighted works.

Free Republic
Browse · Search
News/Activism
Topics · Post Article

FreeRepublic, LLC, PO BOX 9771, FRESNO, CA 93794
FreeRepublic.com is powered by software copyright 2000-2008 John Robinson