Senate Supports Interrogation Limits (90-9 vote to protect terrorist detainees)

Washington Post ^ | Oct. 6, 2005 | Charles Babington and Shailagh Murray

[The Red Zone]

(1) Without knowing what the "old" and "new" restrictions are, any reaction to this is only a brainless knee jerk;
(2) I would be very surprised if there is not a clause in there to the effect of "except with the President's personal permission."

[harpo11]

One thing for sure the senators white arses are covered and protected so what do they care about John and Jame Doe American Citizen who BTW pays their salaries among other benefits and perks of their elected office?

Made sure they got their bunker in place.

We are truly F'in F..F'd. and on our own. These senators don't give a damn whatsoever for our National Security, for our families, for our lives and America.

According to 90 senators, they ordained one little hair of a nasty slimey vermin infested scum murdering butchering terrorist bastard lowlife savage gets harmed mentally or physically.

American Citizens are expendable I guess in the senators view.

[Rock_n_Roll_Republican]

Here's a link to those who voted for / against

http://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_lists/roll_call_vote_cfm.cfm?congress=109&session=1&vote=00249

The only NAYS were as follows:

NAYs ---9
Allard (R-CO)
Bond (R-MO)
Coburn (R-OK)
Cochran (R-MS)
Cornyn (R-TX)
Inhofe (R-OK)
Roberts (R-KS)
Sessions (R-AL)
Stevens (R-AK)

[johnmecainrino]

Veto is worthless because it passed with a veto proof majority. Veto only means something if it passed under two thirds. The key vote was the vote for cloture a few months back that failed.

Frist should have had the amendments on the other bill instead of the whole defense bill. It was Carl Levin that suggested to Rino Warner to have it put on the defense bill.


Now our only hope is to block it in conference but the dem from the house side in conference is for the bill and the senate side is for the bill.


Since Bush can't veto the bill, does anyone know how long Bush can let it sit on his desk and not sign it to just delay it.


My guess is they will try to water down the bill. Warner origianlly had an amendment that let the defense secretary decide if he wanted the rules in place.


Graham also has another horrible amendment that will define enemy combatants.



Who would ever want to be president in this country you already have no power on responding to a disaster in this country because of state rights, and now congress is going to take away your power on the military on overseas matters.


The executive branch in this country is not equal. The senate gang of 14 controls which judges go on the courts. Is there anything the president has control over.

[oceanview]

on every issue - we pay the price for not having an effective communications and political operation. daily pounding by the MSM about "torture" everywhere, most freepers downplay it because the "MSM is dead" they claim - well they aren't, and here is the proof, almost the sntire republican caucus votes for this.

[FairOpinion]

Thank you very much for posting the info about who were the few who voted against it -- I can't believe that all the other Republican Senators voted for it.

There should be a major effort telling the Senators who voted for it what we think and praising the few who had the sense and courage to vote against it.

[johnmecainrino]

There is no clause for it with the president's permission.


McCain, Warner, and Graham are having a takeover of the executive branch.

I don't know how Bush doesn't just quit. The president in this country is so restricted by state rights and congress the position is worthless.

[The Red Zone]

I think it's the martial law clause....

[FairOpinion]

You are engaging in whishful thinking.

The article specifically said:

"snip:

In its statement on the veto threat, the White House said the measure would "restrict the president's authority to protect Americans effectively from terrorist attack and bringing terrorists to justice."

snip

[A CA Guy]

Not a problem, send them back to those that would kill them after a fair trial.

[Rock_n_Roll_Republican]

I was surprised that even BrownBack voted for it.

I actually registered just to post this link as I felt it was a very important issue, and a good chance for us to truly evaluate those we've put in power.

[ConservativeMan55]

BOTH OF MY SENATORS VOTED NAY!

I am very proud!

Thank you Senators Coburn and Inhofe!

[The Red Zone]

I have yet to see even (1) critic here post the list of the old and new. How is your raving bandwagon to know if it is the same as the old except "no panties on Muslims' heads?"

[NormsRevenge]

Grouped By Vote Position

YEAs ---90
Akaka (D-HI) Alexander (R-TN) Allen (R-VA) Baucus (D-MT) Bayh (D-IN) Bennett (R-UT) Biden (D-DE) Bingaman (D-NM) Boxer (D-CA) Brownback (R-KS) Bunning (R-KY) Burns (R-MT) Burr (R-NC) Byrd (D-WV) Cantwell (D-WA) Carper (D-DE) Chafee (R-RI) Chambliss (R-GA) Clinton (D-NY) Coleman (R-MN) Collins (R-ME) Conrad (D-ND) Craig (R-ID) Crapo (R-ID) Dayton (D-MN) DeMint (R-SC) DeWine (R-OH) Dodd (D-CT) Dole (R-NC) Domenici (R-NM)	Dorgan (D-ND) Durbin (D-IL) Ensign (R-NV) Enzi (R-WY) Feingold (D-WI) Feinstein (D-CA) Frist (R-TN) Graham (R-SC) Grassley (R-IA) Gregg (R-NH) Hagel (R-NE) Harkin (D-IA) Hatch (R-UT) Hutchison (R-TX) Inouye (D-HI) Isakson (R-GA) Jeffords (I-VT) Johnson (D-SD) Kennedy (D-MA) Kerry (D-MA) Kohl (D-WI) Kyl (R-AZ) Landrieu (D-LA) Lautenberg (D-NJ) Leahy (D-VT) Levin (D-MI) Lieberman (D-CT) Lincoln (D-AR) Lott (R-MS) Lugar (R-IN)	Martinez (R-FL) McCain (R-AZ) McConnell (R-KY) Mikulski (D-MD) Murkowski (R-AK) Murray (D-WA) Nelson (D-FL) Nelson (D-NE) Obama (D-IL) Pryor (D-AR) Reed (D-RI) Reid (D-NV) Rockefeller (D-WV) Salazar (D-CO) Santorum (R-PA) Sarbanes (D-MD) Schumer (D-NY) Shelby (R-AL) Smith (R-OR) Snowe (R-ME) Specter (R-PA) Stabenow (D-MI) Sununu (R-NH) Talent (R-MO) Thomas (R-WY) Thune (R-SD) Vitter (R-LA) Voinovich (R-OH) Warner (R-VA) Wyden (D-OR)

NAYs ---9
Allard (R-CO) Bond (R-MO) Coburn (R-OK)	Cochran (R-MS) Cornyn (R-TX) Inhofe (R-OK)	Roberts (R-KS) Sessions (R-AL) Stevens (R-AK)

Not Voting - 1
Corzine (D-NJ)

[StormEye]

"I hope Bush vetoes the entire bill and I would love to start a recall of EVERY Senator who voted for"

Senators can't be recalled. They serve out their entire terms.

[America's Resolve]

(1) Without knowing what the "old" and "new" restrictions are, any reaction to this is only a brainless knee jerk;

(2) I would be very surprised if there is not a clause in there to the effect of "except with the President's personal permission."

so:

1) Everyone else's suppositions are "brainless knee jerks"

2) Your Suppositions are valid

uh huh

[FairOpinion]

I am glad you took the trouble to post it.

From your link, I found the link to the actual text and it's not pretty.


EVERYONE SHOULD READ THIS -- THE ACTUAL TEXT, GIVING THE TERRORIST DETAINEES FULL RIGHTS AND PROTECTION OF THE US CONSTITUTION ANYWHERE, EVEN OUTSIDE THE US AND CREATING US LAW BASED ON THE UN.

http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/F?r109:1:./temp/~r109H252jM:e911694:

(a) In General.--"No individual in the custody or under the physical control of the United States Government, regardless of nationality or physical location, shall be subject to cruel, inhuman, or degrading treatment or punishment.

(b) Construction.--Nothing in this section shall be construed to impose any geographical limitation on the applicability of the prohibition against cruel, inhuman, or degrading treatment or punishment under this section.

(c) Limitation on Supersedure.--The provisions of this section shall not be superseded, except by a provision of law enacted after the date of the enactment of this Act which specifically repeals, modifies, or supersedes the provisions of this section.

(d) Cruel, Inhuman, or Degrading Treatment or Punishment Defined.--In this section, the term ``cruel, inhuman, or degrading treatment or punishment'' means the cruel, unusual, and inhumane treatment or punishment prohibited by the Fifth, Eighth, and Fourteenth Amendments to the Constitution of the United States, as defined in the United States Reservations, Declarations and Understandings to the United Nations Convention Against Torture and Other Forms of Cruel, Inhuman or Degrading Treatment or Punishment done at New York, December 10, 1984. "

[eddiemunster]

This sh*t is going to go on for decades. Like my wife told me after 9/11-"take a good look at Israel-that could be our future". Sometimes she makes too much sense...

[kcvl]

Sen. John McCain (R-Ariz.), a former prisoner of war in Vietnam who led the fight for the interrogation restrictions.

I can't stand McCain! He is a LUNATIC & obviously has a bunch of girlie men following him. I'm sure TERRORISTS would limit their interrogation tactics because the United States played nice! /sarcasm

Hello, IDIOTS, this is how we ended up with thousands of innocent people killed by these murderers!

[oceanview]

it reads like a backdoor UN International Criminal Court policy, with the potential to make every US solider or intel operative, a criminal.