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Posted on 10/05/2005 9:46:53 AM PDT by Democrat for Bush

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To: Desert_Girl
Exactly who do we need to jump up and down on to get this problem fixed?

You can complain to your ISP, but it is really out of their hands. The only way this will be fixed is if Cogent and Level3 sort out their differences (who knows) or until the rest of the Internet has time to route around what is a major rift (which could take days).

121 posted on 10/05/2005 6:25:33 PM PDT by tortoise (All these moments lost in time, like tears in the rain.)
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To: Desert_Girl

Thanks:) I work from my home office- have Roadrunner- and use the internet all day for work.

DANG.


122 posted on 10/05/2005 6:25:46 PM PDT by SE Mom (Keep an open mind; nothing will fall out.)
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To: Desert_Girl
Is there a list somewhere of the websites we might have problems with?

The sites you can access will vary depending on which side of the rift you are on. From best I can tell, there are 5500 networks that are part of the Internet that have restricted visibility at the moment. Networks that are affected by this will appear to have no route.

123 posted on 10/05/2005 6:30:02 PM PDT by tortoise (All these moments lost in time, like tears in the rain.)
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To: Phsstpok
Where in the valley are you?

Palo Alto. Every time I try to get out, it pulls me back in. I am a principle at a network operator (among many other things), and as a consequence am far more aware of the internals of telecom and backbone politics than most. Still, I think this is the worst thing to happen to the Internet since Akamai's DNS imploded, and in this particular case it is intentional.

124 posted on 10/05/2005 6:34:31 PM PDT by tortoise (All these moments lost in time, like tears in the rain.)
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To: SE Mom

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/1497396/posts?page=1


125 posted on 10/05/2005 6:36:32 PM PDT by Revel
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To: Desert_Girl
Not here in Houston, at least not yet. I just tried again and nada.

Since BGP (how routing is normally managed) is being blackholed in this pissing match, the Internet is being manually patched with static routes in many cases. This is a major pain and takes a lot of network engineer time that otherwise should not be necessary. Expect parts of the network to be bridged incrementally by providers.

If you are a Desert_Girl, then what are you doing in Houston? :-)

126 posted on 10/05/2005 6:39:10 PM PDT by tortoise (All these moments lost in time, like tears in the rain.)
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To: Democrat for Bush




Drudge has been off several hours.


127 posted on 10/05/2005 6:39:22 PM PDT by RWCon
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To: Revel

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1497398/posts

LOL! I think we started our threads at the same moment!!

Thanks:)


128 posted on 10/05/2005 6:41:17 PM PDT by SE Mom (Keep an open mind; nothing will fall out.)
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To: DMinus
as i said, i have a dog in this fight, but the best permanent solution would be for cogent to agree to a mroe equitable peering relationship and stop using other carrier's networks for a free ride, and then undercutting prices because they have no network infrastructure to pay for.

I have a dog in this fight too, but I would add that 1) Cogent is an industry bottom feeder, and 2) they've tried some less than friendly strong-arm tactics in the past. Mostly though, I think our network engineers would just be happy if this problem went away, as disinterested but affected network operators.

129 posted on 10/05/2005 6:45:29 PM PDT by tortoise (All these moments lost in time, like tears in the rain.)
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To: DMinus
Level 3 contends that its arrangement with Cogent is no longer financially viable, since it is larger than the other company. It has asked Cogent to seek other arrangements, possibly including paying for the traffic exchange, a Level 3 representative said.

Cogent CEO Dave Schaeffer contested that claim, saying that its network is at least as big as Level 3's, and that it makes no sense to pay for the connection. Cogent is offering any Level 3 user who can't get to Cogent sites free Internet service for a year, in an attempt to attract its rival's customers.

Previous Next "Our goal is to have this problem go away, whether through Level 3 reconsidering or their customers coming to us," Schaeffer said.

hmmmm.

130 posted on 10/05/2005 6:45:39 PM PDT by Desert_Girl (A scar is what happens when the world is made flesh)
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To: tortoise
If you are a Desert_Girl, then what are you doing in Houston? :-)

I use another name elsewhere on the internet, and a dear friend took that name and kinda sorta manipulated it around until it became Desert Girl, so when I joined here, I thought it was time for a change. Desert Girl it is!

131 posted on 10/05/2005 6:50:50 PM PDT by Desert_Girl (A scar is what happens when the world is made flesh)
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To: Desert_Girl

I was in Los Angeles on a T3 line earlier and got Drudge.
I am now on a POS connection through Earthlink and no-Drudge... and soon no more Earthlink! :-)


132 posted on 10/05/2005 6:52:47 PM PDT by A CA Guy (God Bless America, God bless and keep safe our fighting men and women.)
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To: Democrat for Bush
Weird. Try this: http://www.drudgereport.com/
133 posted on 10/05/2005 6:54:11 PM PDT by TankerKC (Done with the NFL..)
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To: Democrat for Bush
Drudge was coming up blank all day in Portland, ME, but now is accessible again.
134 posted on 10/05/2005 6:55:11 PM PDT by Shqipo (And so the great battle starts...)
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To: Desert_Girl

yeah, we saw that earlier too. it won't change Level 3's mind... but customers who move there might be pretty disappointed given that Level 3 carries far more internet traffic than Cogent does. it will also be compounded when other backbone providers get wise, smell blood, and cancel their peering sessions with Cogent as well. as of right now, cogent is passing even MORE traffic over the other peers than before because it obviously hasn't come up with a fiber optic backbone of its own since this morning, and so is relying even more upon other carriers to pass their traffic back and forth.

that won't make AT&T, sprint, UUNET, or others very happy. they're already carrying cogent's water and just hadn't gotten the cajones to do what Level 3 decided to do.


135 posted on 10/05/2005 7:02:33 PM PDT by DMinus
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To: DMinus

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1497398/posts

I can log onto Level 3 but not Cogent. Several of the sites I need for work aren't accessible right now either. ggrrrr.


136 posted on 10/05/2005 7:04:29 PM PDT by SE Mom (Keep an open mind; nothing will fall out.)
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To: DMinus

All due respect to you, I am just a consumer caught in this web, but you said it yourself, you do have a dog in this fight. You will understand if I take other perspectives into consideration.


137 posted on 10/05/2005 7:06:45 PM PDT by Desert_Girl (A scar is what happens when the world is made flesh)
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To: Desert_Girl

ineed, and good luck! ;)


138 posted on 10/05/2005 7:09:30 PM PDT by DMinus
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To: PaForBush

Dadgumit now you've gone and published his top secret algorithm for website automation.

;-)


139 posted on 10/05/2005 7:32:21 PM PDT by festus (The constitution may be flawed but its a whole lot better than what we have now.)
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To: DMinus; SE Mom; Desert_Girl; tortoise; Revel

Don't know if something changed, but we can again access Drudge Report. Let's hope everything is resolved - permanently. Wahoo!


140 posted on 10/05/2005 10:55:01 PM PDT by cgk (Bennett: If we are surrounded by the trivial & vicious, it is all too easy to make our peace with it)
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