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Abkhazia will not allow U.S., EU to deploy peacekeeping forces
RIA Novosti ^ | 30/ 09/ 2005

Posted on 10/05/2005 8:54:52 AM PDT by Lukasz

SUKHUMI, September 30 (RIA Novosti) - The president of Abkhazia, a self-proclaimed independent republic on Georgian territory, said he would not agree to the deployment of U.S. and EU peacekeeping forces in the region.

"The CIS peacekeeping troops were sent to the Georgian-Abkhazian conflict zone in line with the May 14, 1994 agreement on a ceasefire and the disengagement of forces," Sergei Bagapsh said, responding to a proposal by Georgian President Mikhail Saakashvili to involve the United States and the European Union in the peacemaking process. "Abkhazia does not plan on making any amendments to the document."

"No other countries can be engaged in the peacekeeping process without our consent," Bagapsh said.

Saakashvili said Wednesday that the U.S. and EU should be part of the settlement efforts in Abkhazia and South Ossetia, the other self-proclaimed republic in Georgia. "Russia has played a crucial role in the process, but the U.S., which has expressed willingness, must also get involved," the Georgian president said.

Saakashvili said the EU could also play a central role in resolving the conflicts. "Russia is a major player, but Europe must also become more actively involved."

Moldova's Transdnestr region, another self-proclaimed post-Soviet republic, recently agreed to U.S. and EU mediation but only as observers, the republic's foreign ministry said Friday.

The decision regarding Transdnestr was reached during recent talks between the two conflicting sides and mediators (Russia, Ukraine, and the OSCE) held in Odessa, a Ukrainian Black Sea city. The OSCE adopted a document that said observers had no right to participate in decision-making, to sign protocols, to preside over meetings, or to call for meetings.

"We have long been opposed to U.S. involvement, as its role in the Balkans, for example, did not improve, but rather deteriorated, things," Valery Litskai, the foreign minister of Transdnestr, said.


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs
KEYWORDS: abkhazia; caucasus; cis; eu; georgia; moldova; osce; peacekeepers; russia; southossetia; unpeacekeeping
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To: Tailgunner Joe
The Russians in the Baltics are not demanding an extermination of the Baltic culture, they're just asking for equality....nice of you to show such moral relativism. Oh and as far as Aparthide went, well guess nothing like a little dictatorial rule to make you happy. Should we take it you didn't mind having blacks beaten and killed?

We're not talking about Zimbabwe, we're talking South Africa, try and stay on subject.

41 posted on 10/07/2005 4:51:16 PM PDT by jb6 (The Atheist/Pagan mind, a quandary wrapped in egoism and served with a side order of self importance)
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To: jb6
just liek the Israeli Arabs towards Jews in subjugating and exterminating the Abhaz culture

But didn't you just favorably compare the Abkhazian expulsion of hundreds of thousands of Georgians to how the "Israelies removed a good chunk of the arabs to become the majority in Israel" in post 28?

It seems you support ethnic cleansing as long as it is of satanic subhuman Georgians.

42 posted on 10/07/2005 4:51:24 PM PDT by Tailgunner Joe
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To: Tailgunner Joe
Yes all 250,000 Abkhazia Georgians are guilty. The women and children too. All Georgians bear the collective guilt of their misbegotten race.

Ahhh, now there's your good leftist strategy of using the race card, Jessy Jackson would be proud. As for being forced out (interestingly enough, almost half went to Russia, part of the over 1 million Georgians who now have Russian citizenship and one is even a member of the Duma) they were caught up in the cleansing of the Abhaz and as war would have it they were forced out in turn. The same as the Sudaten Germans or the Germans from Prussia, Posen or Solasia. Oh and you'd best tell the Ukrainians to let the Poles back into Lvov, right after the Poles let the Germans back into the above mentioned territories. Good luck, be sure to do it in person.

Oh and don't forget to get to your PLO rally so you can tell the Israelies about letting the Palies resettle in Israel too.

43 posted on 10/07/2005 4:54:31 PM PDT by jb6 (The Atheist/Pagan mind, a quandary wrapped in egoism and served with a side order of self importance)
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To: jb6
Nice to see you support the Communist Mandela. South Africa is following Zim down the commie rathole. Pretoria Communists threaten 'Zimbabwe-style' farm invasions

Solidarity, mah bruthah!

44 posted on 10/07/2005 4:54:50 PM PDT by Tailgunner Joe
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To: Tailgunner Joe
it is of satanic subhuman Georgians

Nice to see you play the race card again. Now find out again where I used those words? I'm sure they're right beside my anti-semetic remarks you've yet to prove after 6 months. Or did you think I forgot about those little accusations of yours?

45 posted on 10/07/2005 4:55:57 PM PDT by jb6 (The Atheist/Pagan mind, a quandary wrapped in egoism and served with a side order of self importance)
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To: jb6
they were caught up in the cleansing of the Abhaz

Good to know you believe in collective guilt.

The same as the Sudaten Germans or the Germans from Prussia, Posen or Solasia

Yes, exactly. Good to see you are still defending Stalinist genocide, tovarisch.

46 posted on 10/07/2005 4:57:02 PM PDT by Tailgunner Joe
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To: Tailgunner Joe
Solidarity, mah bruthah!

Nice racial stereotype to boot. Oh you're on a roll. Now we know full well I never referred to such things as communist land seizures, which I'm for the record against, plain and simple. But then I was also against Apartheid...which begs the question, which side you stood on? Did you enjoy the sight of those African subhumans being shot and water gunned by the nice Africaners?

47 posted on 10/07/2005 4:58:56 PM PDT by jb6 (The Atheist/Pagan mind, a quandary wrapped in egoism and served with a side order of self importance)
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To: Tailgunner Joe
Good to know you believe in collective guilt.

Funny you should mention that since that was exactly what you were crying for with expelling the Russians out of the Baltics, except that those people hadn't tried to exterminate the local culture. So again, when are you, oh great man of the expelled peoples, going to set the Poles, Ukrainians and Israelies straight? Oh, that's right, they're not allies of the Russians (well except for Yushchenko's new tilt away from your EU crowd) so it's alright there, but since the Abhaz dared to resist for their worthless lives the extermination efforts of an anti-Russian state, they got what they deserved. Isn't that so?

48 posted on 10/07/2005 5:01:38 PM PDT by jb6 (The Atheist/Pagan mind, a quandary wrapped in egoism and served with a side order of self importance)
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To: jb6
One doesn't have to look further than this thread to find your anti-semitism.

Real supporters of Israel know that Arab claims of mass expulsions of "Palestinians" by Israel is a jihadist myth. Thanks for repeating it and trying to use it to justify real genocide of Georgians at Basayev's hand. The jihadis living in tents in Israel are invaders from Egypt, Jordan, Arabia, Syria, etc. Arafat himself (Putins KGB colleague) was Egyptian. Thanks for spreading their jihadi myths. Oh and their goals were purely nationalist too, until they were driven to Islam by those brutal Israelis, just like your Chechens.

49 posted on 10/07/2005 5:03:28 PM PDT by Tailgunner Joe
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To: jb6
Actually I suggested that if the Russians wanted Baltic citizenship, it wasn't unreasonable for them to learn the language. I feel the same about Mexicans. Those who refuse can go back to Russia where they belong.

I'm glad to see that Putin is offering these poor Russian aliens citizenship in the Rodina, I just hope they wait till they actually emigrate to Russia, instead of giving them all citizenship en masse and supporting Russian separatist movements as in Moldova, Ukraine, and Georgia.

50 posted on 10/07/2005 5:11:56 PM PDT by Tailgunner Joe
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To: Tailgunner Joe
Thanks for repeating it and trying to use it to justify real genocide of Georgians at Basayev's hand.

Nice try, Baseyov was a minor figure in the Abhaz struggle for independence and surival. If you have so much rage against Baseyov you must then support the Russian hunt for him and should be demanding that the Georgians participate fully in it, but you don't. Why? A false rage? More then likely.

51 posted on 10/07/2005 5:17:15 PM PDT by jb6 (The Atheist/Pagan mind, a quandary wrapped in egoism and served with a side order of self importance)
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To: jb6; sergey1973; Lukasz; lizol; RusIvan; All



“Come on JB, sometimes you need to admit the truthfulness of other people of statements from others. You know history of Georgia and Shevardnadze, you of eto know well it sometimes hard to admit mistakes and say yes it’s true. Eto ino immune anyone here will tell me I hate people better get a grip on themselves. Of fore be realistic JB, Kremlin always wanted to dominate Georgia country as you know. And accusation as of my country want to dominate Ukraine is absurd JB, come on man of fore deeeeeeep breath and realax:}}}}}}}.Politics is dirty game do we control them?”


thank you Dzieki


52 posted on 10/07/2005 5:17:47 PM PDT by anonymoussierra
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To: jb6
This from the guy who actually supports an independent Chechen state (minus Grozny).

I don't, so I think I can actually say I am more against the Chechens than you are.

53 posted on 10/07/2005 5:18:53 PM PDT by Tailgunner Joe
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To: Tailgunner Joe
The jihadis living in tents in Israel are invaders from Egypt, Jordan, Arabia, Syria, etc. Arafat himself (Putins KGB colleague) was Egyptian.

I know where the so called Palies came from and I've never supported them, but showing the ludicrousness of your argument as being on their level is rather appropriate. As for Putin and the KGB, Putin was a colonel in Germany, and as for Purtin as President, he sent Arafat away 3 times, the last refusing to even meet with him...spread your lies somewhere else. Oh and Arafag was set up by the Romanian KGB while we're at it and by your Romanian KGB hero whose name you tought here all the time.

54 posted on 10/07/2005 5:19:20 PM PDT by jb6 (The Atheist/Pagan mind, a quandary wrapped in egoism and served with a side order of self importance)
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To: Tailgunner Joe
Actually I suggested that if the Russians wanted Baltic citizenship, it wasn't unreasonable for them to learn the language.

The vast majority already speak the local languages and the issue isn't that. If these people had immigrated there post independence I'd agree. The majority at issue were born in those lands. Shall we give all those born in America (well lets just say Mexicans for the sake of the argument) a language test before they can have citizenship? That's what the issue is there. Oh and how about all those damned Italians or Koreans or others who were born here in the US but lived in ethnic neighborhoods and don't speak much english, shall we kick them out? Or how about the Indians who refuse to speak english or the Peurto Riccans?

55 posted on 10/07/2005 5:22:08 PM PDT by jb6 (The Atheist/Pagan mind, a quandary wrapped in egoism and served with a side order of self importance)
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To: jb6


56 posted on 10/07/2005 5:22:21 PM PDT by Tailgunner Joe
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To: Tailgunner Joe

Actually I never supported an independent chechen state, where did you come up with that one? It's a none entity that had independence and proved it was a failed state from get go.


57 posted on 10/07/2005 5:23:11 PM PDT by jb6 (The Atheist/Pagan mind, a quandary wrapped in egoism and served with a side order of self importance)
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To: Tailgunner Joe

Lovely last photo, will you show our envoy? Or how about those "none-Christian" Catholic Pope? (after all you don't consider them Christian either, as I recall). Lets not forget all the gifts we gave them over the past 20 years....like rescueing them from destruction by the Israelies, in Lebanon.


58 posted on 10/07/2005 5:24:44 PM PDT by jb6 (The Atheist/Pagan mind, a quandary wrapped in egoism and served with a side order of self importance)
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To: jb6
Aren't you the one who is always lecturing us Americans that we shouldn't impose our values on other countries (like Russia)? I respect the right of the Baltics to have an official language even if we don't.

But since you asked, yes I do support the movement to make English the USA's official language.

59 posted on 10/07/2005 5:26:41 PM PDT by Tailgunner Joe
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To: Tailgunner Joe; jb6

be nice guys..........


60 posted on 10/07/2005 5:29:01 PM PDT by anonymoussierra
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