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To: microgood
[Wrong on at least three counts... False. Wrong Again.]

Reasoned and sound arguments.

You didn't provide any yourself, son, so I wasn't going waste my time doing anything more than just highlighting how often you were spewing nonsense.

I've obviously read more Gould and Dawkins than you.

You obviously haven't a clue.

You need a refresher course it seems.

Not at all. You need an education.

[There is no "disagreement". "PE" is just "gradualism" running at varying rates depending upon conditions. But it's all "gradual" from the perspective of a human lifetime.]

Than why did he rail against Gould about it.

For reasons that are beyond you, obviously. But if you think that he said anything that contradicts the points I've made, you're sadly mistaken. Nor, I note, did you even bother to try to demonstrate that he had. All you have is your dishonest implications and empty bluster.

Can someone find me anyone on the creationist/ID side who is actually a worthy debate partner? Please?

I mean, how about someone who doesn't stick his foot in his mouth by claiming that *I* haven't read enough Gould & Dawkins, when if *he* had actually done so, he'd know that Dawins "railed against" Gould primarily over a misunderstanding, and not over a real difference in conclusions?

You need to shake those cobwebs out of your brain and try to keep up.

Yeah. Sure. I guess that's why I keep posting valid arguments and evidence, and you keep just bluffing.

Thank you, sincerely, for showing just how empty the creationist/ID "argument" is, by way of example.

486 posted on 10/05/2005 10:34:16 PM PDT by Ichneumon
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To: Ichneumon
Can someone find me anyone on the creationist/ID side who is actually a worthy debate partner? Please?

sorry, Magister - I think those beasties were either mythical or are extinct.

488 posted on 10/05/2005 10:37:10 PM PDT by King Prout (19sep05 - I want at least 2 Saiga-12 shotguns. If you have leads, let me know)
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To: Ichneumon
Hmm... I guess I must have just made this up:

"Niles Eldredge and Steven Gould stirred up the mud of Tempo and Mode in Evolution with their paper in 1972 on so-called "punctuated equilibrium". The traditional view of evolution was one of phyletic gradualism. This encompassed slow, gradual change in phenotype and speciation by gradual change from one species into another. The alternative - punctuated equilibrium was put forward as a means of accounting for the ever present "gaps" in the fossil record (see figs. 20.4-20.5, pp. 561-562). Eldredge and Gould argued that the gaps were not artifacts of incomplete representation, but that there were essentially no intermediate forms. The general notion is that long periods of stasis or morphological equilibria are punctuated by periods of rapid morphological change. This is just one of many quotes like this, this one is at From biomed.brown.edu

I guess you should apologize as you are full of it as proven by this link. You no little of "punctuated-equilibrium" or phylogenic gradualism. Admit it now and be done with it.
515 posted on 10/05/2005 11:55:07 PM PDT by microgood
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To: Ichneumon
Can someone find me anyone on the creationist/ID side who is actually a worthy debate partner? Please?

No such person exists.

546 posted on 10/06/2005 4:07:45 AM PDT by shuckmaster (Bring back SeaLion and ModernMan!)
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