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Extra Weight May Be Factor in Boat Tragedy
AP ^ | 10/5/05 | Devlin Barrett

Posted on 10/05/2005 3:22:02 AM PDT by roaddog727

LAKE GEORGE, N.Y. (AP) - Investigators were focusing on excess weight as a possible cause of the boat accident that killed 20 elderly people on a calm, clear day during a sightseeing tour on an Adirondack lake.

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TOPICS: News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: boatsinking; coastguard; lakegeorge
Time to change boating weight passenger standards.
1 posted on 10/05/2005 3:22:03 AM PDT by roaddog727
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To: roaddog727

Not necessarily. What is needed is updated stability calculations regularly and after vessel modifications. The averages are still good most places except New Orleans.


2 posted on 10/05/2005 3:28:51 AM PDT by Quick Shot
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To: roaddog727

Change all you want, but when your number is up, you are still going.


3 posted on 10/05/2005 3:30:53 AM PDT by jocon307
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To: roaddog727

Why is this Activism/Chapters?


4 posted on 10/05/2005 3:49:47 AM PDT by bmwcyle (We broke Pink's Code and found a terrorist message)
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To: jocon307
Change all you want, but when your number is up, you are still going.

Today I'm going to climb the city water tower and jump off. The way I see it, if it's my time, I'll die. If not, I'll come back tonight and tell you about it.

5 posted on 10/05/2005 3:53:25 AM PDT by Mr Ramsbotham (Laws against sodomy are honored in the breech.)
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To: roaddog727

So, if extra weight is suspected of causing the tragedy-why are the investigators raising hell because the boat was missing a crew member? Plump or puny, wouldn't such an extra person have added to the over load problem?

Maybe a simple rule of,"we don't leave the dock until every passenger has properly secured his/her floatation device to their bodies" was/is needed. And unless the extra deck hand was assigned the duty of enforcing that rule, said hand merely equals more weight.



6 posted on 10/05/2005 4:16:10 AM PDT by F.J. Mitchell (Show me a liberal and I'll show you a head and a heart, designed for nothing but cracking walnuts.)
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To: F.J. Mitchell

Sorry folks, but the pilot of the boat can tell when his boat is overloaded, All he has to do is look at the decreased water line on his boat and see he is carrying to much load. I said from the beginning this boat was too small for 50 people to be in it. But by all means lets pass a law requiring flotation devices be required wearing for anyone getting near a boat and for those sunbathing within 50 feet of water. That will solve the whole problem.


7 posted on 10/05/2005 4:28:08 AM PDT by sgtbono2002
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To: roaddog727
I find it interesting that there is no mention of the unattached deck chairs and their effect on the capsizing.


At 140 lbs, or 170 lbs per person, should all the passengers slide to one side of a relatively small vessel such as that what outcome would a reasonable man expect?

Further evidence of mans stupidity forcing further governmental regulations and bureaucratic mumbo-jumbo. And we wonder why we are losing our "freedoms"?


Like FEMA, the Coast Guard is going to be pillaried for not acting fast enough. Give me a break!



8 posted on 10/05/2005 4:28:25 AM PDT by G.Mason
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To: jocon307
Change all you want, but when your number is up, you are still going.

Prosecutor: Why did you murder your elderly mugging victim?

Defendant: Obviously, his number was up. Why punish me?

9 posted on 10/05/2005 4:32:36 AM PDT by ReignOfError
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To: G.Mason

Exactly. Accidents do happen and why everyone always blames the government is beyond me. That said, seats not being attached is a concern.


10 posted on 10/05/2005 4:57:40 AM PDT by mtbopfuyn (Legality does not dictate morality... Lavin)
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To: mtbopfuyn
why everyone always blames the government is beyond me

It's what happens when the government assumes responsibilities that were previously up to the individual. But, of course, that's the fault of the individual, too.

11 posted on 10/05/2005 5:18:54 AM PDT by MSSC6644
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To: mtbopfuyn
" ... Accidents do happen and why everyone always blames the government is beyond me ..."


That, my Freeper friend, is a subject that we could spend days, months, and years discussing.


May I suggest that like any who are given a teat, they will continue to suckle until it is dry. ;)



12 posted on 10/05/2005 5:23:21 AM PDT by G.Mason
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To: roaddog727

There were too many people on the boat. Almost 50 people on a 40 foot boat is too many. If I had been on the boat I would have gotten off before it left the dock.


13 posted on 10/05/2005 5:36:52 AM PDT by Ditter
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To: F.J. Mitchell
If all passengers on this craft had been wearing PFDs, the death toll would have been higher. When a boat, where all passengers are in an enclosed cabin capsizes, PFDs prevent them from swmming down to escape. From what I've read, the Capt. turned away from a wake. If the wake was on his starboard (right) side and the Capt. turned to port (left), the boat would heel (lean) to port. This would cause the freeboard (distance between the water and gunwhale) to decrease. If these passengers were on secured benches, they would slide to port and cause the port gunwhale to drop further. If the benches, or deck chairs, were not secured, they would all slide to port. Add to this the wake hitting the starboard side, and you have a recipe fr disaster. If the accounts that I have read are correct, IMO, the Capt. should have headed into the wake so as to take it bow on instead of on his beam.
14 posted on 10/05/2005 5:37:42 AM PDT by Roccus (Able Danger? What's an Able Danger?)
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To: Roccus; F.J. Mitchell

Last sentence should read "....on his beam or stern."


15 posted on 10/05/2005 5:42:02 AM PDT by Roccus (Able Danger? What's an Able Danger?)
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To: roaddog727

A simple solution would be to start charging boat and airline passengers by the pound.


16 posted on 10/05/2005 5:45:09 AM PDT by marktwain
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To: Roccus

Head into the wake so as to face the waves cross ways as would be done by a ship at sea during a typhoon.

Good point.


17 posted on 10/05/2005 5:49:54 AM PDT by F.J. Mitchell (Show me a liberal and I'll show you a head and a heart, designed for nothing but cracking walnuts.)
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To: F.J. Mitchell

Not so much a good point as just basic seamanship. A vessel's longitudinal axis is much longer than its lateral axis.


18 posted on 10/05/2005 5:56:07 AM PDT by Roccus (Able Danger? What's an Able Danger?)
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To: G.Mason
At 140 lbs, or 170 lbs per person, should all the passengers slide to one side of a relatively small vessel such as that what outcome would a reasonable man expect?

Apparently Coast Guard regulations for determining load capacity of a passenger vessel address just that situation - the boat must remain stable (something like no more than 15 degrees of list) when its full passenger load is on one side of the boat. Apparently, for whatever reason, this boat was no longer stable. Was it overloaded? Did the modifications make it less stable? Was the bilge flooded?

19 posted on 10/05/2005 5:58:49 AM PDT by -YYZ-
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