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1 posted on 10/04/2005 4:28:31 PM PDT by MeanWestTexan
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To: MeanWestTexan

Armageddon in our lifetime.


2 posted on 10/04/2005 4:30:21 PM PDT by Sir Gawain
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To: MeanWestTexan

"The Catholic bishops of England, Wales and Scotland..."

I'll get my teaching form a different source.


3 posted on 10/04/2005 4:31:23 PM PDT by John W
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To: MeanWestTexan
I was one once, but even as a teenager I could recognize a church that was built on lies, deceit and falsehoods.
5 posted on 10/04/2005 4:31:59 PM PDT by AlaskaErik (Everyone should have a subject they are ignorant about. I choose professional corporate sports.)
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To: MeanWestTexan

This part of the homosexual agenda to fight off a self-correcting Catholic Church. It sounds like incipient heresy to me.


6 posted on 10/04/2005 4:32:17 PM PDT by Rapscallion (Please sit down and tell me logically and quietly.)
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To: MeanWestTexan
Image hosted by Photobucket.com ummm... the Bishops of England, Wales and Scotland are NOT the Catholic Church!!!
7 posted on 10/04/2005 4:32:42 PM PDT by Chode (American Hedonist ©®)
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To: MeanWestTexan

Actually, in the '50s and 60's, American Roman Catholics weren't big on the Bible. The texts we used were the Baltimore Catechism and the Sunday Missal, plus Papal Encyclicals.

It wasn't until Vatican II in '62 that the nuns had us reading the Bible, and the RC version at that (Douay), not King James.


12 posted on 10/04/2005 4:36:18 PM PDT by LibFreeOrDie (L'chaim!)
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To: PatrickHenry; Junior

Ping


13 posted on 10/04/2005 4:36:54 PM PDT by Coyoteman (I love the sound of beta decay in the morning!)
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To: MeanWestTexan
The Catholic bishops of England, Wales and Scotland are warning their five million worshippers, as well as any others drawn to the study of scripture, that they should not expect “total accuracy” from the Bible.

Yes, from now on THEY will be the ultimate authority on God's truth.

17 posted on 10/04/2005 4:38:57 PM PDT by Jorge (Q)
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To: MeanWestTexan

Was that approved by HQ?


23 posted on 10/04/2005 4:49:34 PM PDT by GOP_1900AD (Stomping on "PC," destroying the Left, and smoking out faux "conservatives" - Take Back The GOP!)
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To: MeanWestTexan
"...they should not expect “total accuracy”...

I don't expect total accuracy from the Times. I don't even expect acceptable accuracy from the Times. If the Catholic Church is now saying that the sun doesn't orbit the Earth, then this should send the evangelicals into fits. The posts here will no doubt be funny and if experience is any indicator, they will turn anti-Catholic quickly.

25 posted on 10/04/2005 4:50:31 PM PDT by SampleMan
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I don't know why anybody would be surprised. It's not like 99% of "Bible-believing" Christians today actually believe the Bible is 100% accurate. If they did, there would be a whole lot of "smitings" that aren't taking place now. Ever read the covenant law from Exodus 21-23?


27 posted on 10/04/2005 4:56:48 PM PDT by georgiadevildog (Get to work. You aren't being paid to believe in the power of your dreams.)
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To: MeanWestTexan

This does NOT appear to be issued by the Vatican.


28 posted on 10/04/2005 4:57:57 PM PDT by Right Wing Assault ("..this administration is planning a 'Right Wing Assault' on values and ideals.." - John Kerry)
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To: MeanWestTexan

The Catholic Church existed before the Bible. The Bible was intended to contains all the truth necessary for salvation. It was not intended to be a verbatim scientific history.


38 posted on 10/04/2005 5:11:29 PM PDT by ex-snook (Vote gridlock for the most conservative government)
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To: MeanWestTexan

I always turn to the Times to get my Catholic teaching. (/sarcasm)


46 posted on 10/04/2005 5:15:45 PM PDT by stocksthatgoup (Polls = Proof that when the MSM want yo"ur opinion they will give it to you.)
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To: MeanWestTexan

Frankly, this is a pretty dumb statement, especially the bit where they say which parts of the Bible are true and which are false. It sounds as if they think they are the Jesus Seminar.

Augustine gives different takes on these matters at different points in his life, but his treatise on Genesis represents his most mature view: That we should read the Bible literally wherever possible, and figuratively where it clearly is not literal.

If the Bible says that the sun rises, that is a figure of speech, which we still use every day, even though we know that the sun doesn't rise but the earth spins.

If the Bible says that the whole world was drowned in a flood, then most Catholics would probably say that it's not sure if that statement is literal or not. Maybe a large flood, maybe the whole of Mesopotamia, maybe the Black Sea let loose, we just don't know. To say that it is a only myth, however, is just foolish.

To say that the statement that Eve was made from a rib taken from Adam's side is false, or a myth, is even more silly. "With God, all things are possible." If God wanted to take a rib and transform it into a woman, that's His business. It just isn't within the purview of any bishop to say that this verse is simply false. God can perform a miracle any time He chooses.

Bishops can and do err, from time to time. When the Arian heresy spread, nearly all the bishops in Christendom joined the wrong side, and Athanasius was left almost alone. But he prevailed.


50 posted on 10/04/2005 5:17:41 PM PDT by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: MeanWestTexan

Frankly, this is a pretty dumb statement, especially the bit where they say which parts of the Bible are true and which are false. It sounds as if they think they are the Jesus Seminar.

Augustine gives different takes on these matters at different points in his life, but his treatise on Genesis represents his most mature view: That we should read the Bible literally wherever possible, and figuratively where it clearly is not literal.

If the Bible says that the sun rises, that is a figure of speech, which we still use every day, even though we know that the sun doesn't rise but the earth spins.

If the Bible says that the whole world was drowned in a flood, then most Catholics would probably say that it's not sure if that statement is literal or not. Maybe a large flood, maybe the whole of Mesopotamia, maybe the Black Sea let loose, we just don't know. To say that it is a only myth, however, is just foolish.

To say that the statement that Eve was made from a rib taken from Adam's side is false, or a myth, is even more silly. "With God, all things are possible." If God wanted to take a rib and transform it into a woman, that's His business. It just isn't within the purview of any bishop to say that this verse is simply false. God can perform a miracle any time He chooses.

Bishops can and do err, from time to time. When the Arian heresy spread, nearly all the bishops in Christendom joined the wrong side, and Athanasius was left almost alone. But he prevailed.


51 posted on 10/04/2005 5:17:42 PM PDT by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: MeanWestTexan

Is this really any worse than Protestants who claim the King James Bible is the only true Bible?


54 posted on 10/04/2005 5:19:29 PM PDT by k2blader (Hic sunt dracones..)
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To: MeanWestTexan

If true, this is really is disheartening. I hope all Catholics don't adopt this terrible doctrine. I read the entire article and it just gets worse and worse.


62 posted on 10/04/2005 5:24:59 PM PDT by ladyinred (It is all my fault okay?)
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To a certain extent, even the most fundamentalist Christians don't take the Bible completely literally. There are many very fundamentalist churches who don't believe in transubstantiation, a belief one would have to hold if one supported a literal translation of the bible.


85 posted on 10/04/2005 5:42:52 PM PDT by ClearAndPresent
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To: MeanWestTexan

The ultimate truth--and the only ultimate truth--is God.


89 posted on 10/04/2005 5:45:21 PM PDT by Savage Beast (Sin in the name of God is the ultimate blasphemy.)
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