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New data suggest Katrina was a less intense, Category 3 storm
South Florida Sun-Sentinel ^ | Tue, Oct. 04, 2005 | KEN KAYE

Posted on 10/04/2005 1:02:35 PM PDT by paradoxical

FORT LAUDERDALE, Fla. - (KRT) - Hurricane Katrina might have battered New Orleans and the Gulf Coast as a considerably weaker system than the Category 4 tempest initially reported.

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TOPICS: Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: blanco; hurricane; incompetentdemocrats; incompetentgovernor; incompetentmayor; katrina; nagin; neworleans; raynagin; rayschoolbusnagin; schoolbusnagin
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But,wait! I thought NOLA could withstand a CAT 3. No matter still Bushes fault /s
1 posted on 10/04/2005 1:02:35 PM PDT by paradoxical
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To: paradoxical

It was those secret explosive dumps drilled into the levees by Karl Rove & Co. If he hadn't lit the fuses himself, NO would be all cleaned up today!


2 posted on 10/04/2005 1:04:15 PM PDT by theDentist (The Dems have put all their eggs in one basket-case: Howard "Belltower" Dean.)
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To: paradoxical

This is even more ammo for Calyso Louie and his secret bomber theory..........


3 posted on 10/04/2005 1:06:29 PM PDT by Red Badger (In life, you don't get what you deserve. You get what you settle for...........)
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To: paradoxical
All the emphasis is on wind speed at landfall.

However, the key factor with Katrina, both in NOLA and along the Gulf Coast, was surge. Katrina was a Cat 5 until just before landfall. And a massive Cat 5 at that. It put a tremendous amount of water in motion, and that water was not going to stop immediately from weaker winds.

Rita was the same way, and its surge caught people off guard as well. I'm worried nitwits like the reporter who wrote this article will distract from the fact that both Katrina and Rita were catastrophic surge events.

4 posted on 10/04/2005 1:07:03 PM PDT by dirtboy (Drool overflowed my buffer...)
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To: paradoxical
New data suggest Katrina was a less intense, Category 3 storm

The Global Warming extortionists are deeply saddened by this news...

5 posted on 10/04/2005 1:10:55 PM PDT by frogjerk (LIBERALISM - Being miserable for no good reason)
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To: paradoxical
But what people are forgetting is that Katrina was a huge storm. It covered almost the entire Gulf of Mexico. It was able to whip up much more water (tidal surge) than a smaller storm even with higher winds. (the tidal surge did most of the catestrophic damage)

In Mississippi, Katrina did many, many times more damage than Hurricane Camile did in 1969 even though Camile was a Catagory 5, but much smaller in area.

Katrina also was able to sustain high winds hundreds of miles inland because of its size.
6 posted on 10/04/2005 1:12:05 PM PDT by A. Patriot
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To: NautiNurse; Howlin

Amazing new info ping..


7 posted on 10/04/2005 1:12:19 PM PDT by SE Mom (Keep an open mind; nothing will fall out.)
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To: dirtboy; NautiNurse; Howlin
Your analysis is dead on. Categorizing these storms by the wind speed at land fall is not a good indicator of damage potential/effect.
8 posted on 10/04/2005 1:12:33 PM PDT by brothers4thID (Do you stand with us, or are you going to just stand in the way?)
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9 posted on 10/04/2005 1:13:21 PM PDT by evets (God bless president Bush!)
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To: dirtboy

a record surge hit the MS coast and got funneled into the lake..that is what caused the damage not the wind...the surge takes alot longer to die down..but of corse the media will not report it that way


10 posted on 10/04/2005 1:15:35 PM PDT by janetjanet998
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To: dirtboy

I'm worried nitwits like the reporter who wrote this article will distract from the fact that both Katrina and Rita were catastrophic surge events.




From the article:Powell said the new data show that Katrina packed 95-mph winds over the east end of Lake Pontchartrain and about 65 mph over the west end, enough to cause the levees to fail.

To be series, I agree with you, but was the surge enough to cause NO to flood?


11 posted on 10/04/2005 1:15:50 PM PDT by paradoxical
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To: paradoxical

Boy, a Cat 3 wiped out town after town. Not just New Orleans, Mississippi got wiped clean! I mean a Cat 3 pushed CASINOS 200 feet away?

Jeez, that's an awful big Cat 3.


12 posted on 10/04/2005 1:19:03 PM PDT by sandbar
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a record surge hit the MS coast and got funneled into the lake..that is what caused the damage not the wind...

And then angle of approach for Katrina first pushed the water into the lake, and then down towards NOLA as the eye passed to the east.

Of course, none of this addresses the probably substandard construction that cause the failure in the first place.

13 posted on 10/04/2005 1:19:13 PM PDT by dirtboy (Drool overflowed my buffer...)
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To: dirtboy

Thanks


14 posted on 10/04/2005 1:20:58 PM PDT by paradoxical
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To: sandbar

The Casinos were built floating on water. Moving one 200 feet through surge is pretty trivial.

The 1900 Galveston storm put large ships MILES inland.


15 posted on 10/04/2005 1:27:56 PM PDT by Strategerist
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To: dirtboy
the reporter/author should just be shot..dumbest article ever/...

"Katrina might have further downgraded to a strong Category 1 system with 95-mph winds, when it punched water through New Orleans' levees, "

what BS

16 posted on 10/04/2005 1:28:50 PM PDT by janetjanet998
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To: janetjanet998

Wow, your argument is so compelling and full of technical documentation.


17 posted on 10/04/2005 1:29:39 PM PDT by Strategerist
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To: janetjanet998
And since winds 150 miles west of the landfall were 30 mph, Katrina must have been just a depression!

In fact, we didn't even get any rain from Katrina in Pennsylvania, when we normally get a fair amount of rain from hurricanes. So Katrina must not have happened it all. It was all just a bad dream!

/mushrooms that some reporters apparently consume for breakfast...

18 posted on 10/04/2005 1:31:25 PM PDT by dirtboy (Drool overflowed my buffer...)
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To: Strategerist
Wow, your argument is so compelling and full of technical documentation.

She's aptly demonstrating what a nitwit this reporter is. A hurricane is not "downgraded" to a strong Category 1 (let alone the fact that 95 mph winds is Cat 2), just because the winds further away from the eyewall are weaker.

19 posted on 10/04/2005 1:32:44 PM PDT by dirtboy (Drool overflowed my buffer...)
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To: Strategerist
thats becuase the surge just doesn't stop when the wind dies down..it takes alot more time to 'calm" down...a CAT 5 like surge hit the MS coast and got funneled into the lake...the reporter incorrectly thinks that wind speed/surge are directly porportional in a "weakening" cane...it is NOT

also the area it hit was the worst posible place for NO...east winds hours in advance push the huge water rise into the lake right up to landfall and then the winds changed NW pushing all that water southeast...if the storm hit west of the city new orleans would of been on the stornger wind side but the winds would of been south pushing that large water rise onto the northshore

20 posted on 10/04/2005 1:37:36 PM PDT by janetjanet998
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