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The Coming Explosion Over Miers – Redux (Too many conservatives going off half-cocked.)
The American Thinker ^ | October 3, 2005 | Thomas Lifson

Posted on 10/03/2005 4:35:19 PM PDT by quidnunc

Rush Limbaugh has found the information that Harriet Miers is an evangelical Christian, a member of a church in Dallas that most would describe as "fundamentalist." I believe that this vindicates my earlier analysis based on mistaken information about a Ministry supported by Ms. Miers.

Blue state fundamentalists tend to hate evangelicals the way that Islamists hate Jews: viscerally. It will take enormous willpower for many of them to avoid saying that one who believes in the literal word of the Bible should not be allowed a place on the Supreme Court. They played footsie with the position that a devout Catholic would be disqaualified.

To partially quote my earlier post: this is a battle the Democrat left can't win with a majority of the American public, which sees religious faith as a good thing. As far as I am concerned about the coming attacks, Dirty Harry summed up my feelings: "Go ahead — make my day."

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(Excerpt) Read more at americanthinker.com ...


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Editorial
KEYWORDS: harrietmiers
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To: Miss Marple
I totally agree with you Miss M.

Our republican majority is not all conservative.

Besides, we will have to take this nomination on faith. They will draw her out in hearings, but it will all be down the middle answers.

In the end, it's do you trust Bush's judgment, or not.

I do, but I see the World Nut Daily bunch getting vocal.

It won't matter, cuz they will not pull her nomination unless something totally unforeseen comes to the fore.

Some thought must also be given to the distinct possibility that another nomination will be looming in the near future. In the end, the so called balance of the court will most certainly shift right. But it will never be enough for some.

For me, it's just about right.
221 posted on 10/03/2005 7:48:36 PM PDT by Cold Heat (This is not sarcasm)
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To: Don'tMessWithTexas

Oh be quiet... if you don't want to answer my posts, then move on...


222 posted on 10/03/2005 7:48:38 PM PDT by carton253 (It's better to have a gun and not need it than not have a gun and need it.)
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To: Miss Marple
"I am willing to go to the mat when we have a good chance of winning. You are apparently wanting a suicide mission just for emotional satisfaction."

Yes, I want and expect the Senate Republicans to go on the mat for Bush's conservative nominees had he given them to us. In fact, I have no doubt he could have pushed them through--nuclear option and all--had he had the will to do so. And he would have been supported by the RINOs including those in the gang of 14 like Graham and McLame because if they had opposed Bush, they could have kissed any further political ambitions farewell. In fact, Graham would not have been reelected in SC.

But, instead of calling out the RINOs and Dirty Harry and his minions, Bush kowtowed to them. Power is power only if it is exercised. Otherwise it is of no use.

I think it is clear that if Bush had not gone limp-wristed on us, we could have had our conservatives in the mold of Scalia and Thomas. You Miss Marple are just looking for rationalizations for not having fought the fight.
223 posted on 10/03/2005 7:48:52 PM PDT by Cautor
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To: JCEccles

I did not answer your post because I find it utter nonsense...


224 posted on 10/03/2005 7:49:22 PM PDT by carton253 (It's better to have a gun and not need it than not have a gun and need it.)
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To: Afronaut

"SHE IS NOT QUAILIFIED. What else is there to argue about?"

The only thing I could possibly add is QED.


225 posted on 10/03/2005 7:50:05 PM PDT by Cautor
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To: Cautor

This will mean that future court nominees will only have executive branch experience. Dems will nominate stealth libs and Pubbies will pick stealth conservatives. They will be inclined to kowtow to their bosses and will further politicize the bench. This is a recipe for real tyranny.


226 posted on 10/03/2005 7:51:52 PM PDT by Don'tMessWithTexas
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To: Miss Marple
Bush has been weakened by this nomination anyway. They Dems realize that Bush has caved. His base is demoralized.

But this raised interesting questions: when we have the choice between a true conservative and a RINO with a better chance of beating a Dem whom should we vote for? Would you target Chafee and McCain for defeat in their primaries? If a POTUS candidate promises to nominate conservative judges should we conclude that that promise is just a load of hot air?

227 posted on 10/03/2005 7:58:58 PM PDT by Don'tMessWithTexas
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To: carton253

I thought you were tired. I thought you were going to bed. Sheesh.


228 posted on 10/03/2005 8:01:43 PM PDT by Don'tMessWithTexas
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To: Cautor
It is a fact that Susan Collins and other Republican senators told Bush not to send them a controversial nominee.

It is a fact that George Voinovich cried and then refused to vote for Bolton.

It is a fact that McCain and Hagel cannot be depended upon.

It is a fact that Chaffee, Snowe, and Collins will not vote for a too-obviously conservative nominee.

I don't know why you are convinced that Bush could suddenly weild all of this imaginary power in the Senate. The Senate is full of cowards and egomaniacs. You can't count on them in a tough battle. That's the way it is.

Yes, maybe Lindsey Graham would have gone along. How about Richard Lugar? I can't count on him and he is my senator! He would quite likely bolt. So would DeWine and Spector. And what about Hagel?

You have an unrealistic idea of what the Senate would do. I am not willing to place so much faith in people who have already let me down.

As it is, the nomination is made. I doubt that we will see a stealth liberal revealed in the hearings, but I can always withdraw my support if that proves to be the case. I will assume that you are willing to revise your opinion, also, if further information supports her candidacy.

229 posted on 10/03/2005 8:02:03 PM PDT by Miss Marple (Lord, please look after Mozart Lover's son and keep him strong.)
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To: quidnunc

Every time I read this headline, I fully anticipate Rep Sheila Jackson-Lee to demand an explanation from NASA as to why they would send explosives to the red planet.


230 posted on 10/03/2005 8:02:05 PM PDT by Cvengr (<;^))
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To: Don'tMessWithTexas

"Dems will nominate stealth libs"

This is the only point I might quibble over. If the tables were turned and the DUmmys were in the White House and they owned the Senate, I don't think they would be shy over nominating a leftist/lib. Clinton certainly didn't shy away from appointing Ginsberg an ACLU mouthpiece with a paper trail of leftist positions. But our dear Republican Senators sniffed and let her through with hardly a cross word. As I said earlier, power is power, but only if exercised. It seems our President is happy with stealth candidates with no paper trail...but only if their FOBs (Friends of Bush).

Our side sits on its hands and convinces itself the battle would have been futile, so better to have run away than to have fought a good fight. Yes, that's what you call a winning strategy...but only if you're a DEmocrat.


231 posted on 10/03/2005 8:02:30 PM PDT by Cautor
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To: Cautor

I am interested in people’s opinions about the confirmability of Miers versus other women discussed in these forums: JRB, Karen Williams, Corrigan, Callahan, Edith Jones, etc. I am assuming Bush felt compelled to select a female this time around.

On a scale of 1 to 10, with 1 being not at a confirmable and 10 being easily confirmable, where would you place each? For example, I would rank JRB at about a 2, Edith Jones a 3, Karen Williams a 7 or 8, and Miers a 4.

What about qualifications: on a scale from 1 to 10, with 1 being not at all qualified and 10 being supremely qualified? Factored in to this ranking, I would consider quality of written work product, strength of law school, federal court experience, etc. Off the top of my head, I don’t recall that much about other women’s qualifications. I know some were concerned that Karen Williams only attended South Carolina for law school. Still I’d give Williams an 8 because of her years of experience on the Fourth Circuit.


232 posted on 10/03/2005 8:06:00 PM PDT by Rumierules
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To: andy58-in-nh; quidnunc

And that is the point entirely. Her utter lack of any professional qualifications. If the Senate confirmed someone who was never a judge, whatever her politics, whatever her religion, they would be derelict in their duties.

Christians are being set up to fail in pushing a weak, unqualified candidate.


233 posted on 10/03/2005 8:07:02 PM PDT by Sam the Sham (A conservative party tough on illegal immigration could carry California in 2008)
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To: Rumierules

Miers a 9 not a 4 on confirmability.


234 posted on 10/03/2005 8:07:07 PM PDT by Rumierules
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To: Don'tMessWithTexas
Well, I disagree that the President is weakened, but time will tell if I am right or not.

Here is how I treat the RINO/Conservative quandary.

If the margin in the Senate is close (as it was in 2002) then I support the person who can best beat the democrat, because holding the majority is important for getting anything accomplished, plus the Rats are wanting to hold hearings (show trials) and I don't want to see them filling the TV with their garbage.

If the margin in the Senate is fairly comfortable, then I support the conservative over the RINO, provided the conservative will support the war on terror.

As far as judges...all I ask is that they be of good character, not legislate from the bench, and have a judicial temperment. I don't see many people posting here that would qualify on that last trait.

235 posted on 10/03/2005 8:07:40 PM PDT by Miss Marple (Lord, please look after Mozart Lover's son and keep him strong.)
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To: Miss Marple

Miss Marple assures us that: "It is a fact that Susan Collins and other Republican senators told Bush not to send them a controversial nominee.

It is a fact that George Voinovich cried and then refused to vote for Bolton.

It is a fact that McCain and Hagel cannot be depended upon.

It is a fact that Chaffee, Snowe, and Collins will not vote for a too-obviously conservative nominee."

Cautor replies: So, it seems it is a fact that Bush rolled over in the face of this overwhelming force and cried "uncle."

Surely you can't believe that two dunces like McLame and Hagel, both of whom harbor presidential aspirations (foolish but true just the same) and our little senator from SC called Graham (a member of the gangsta of 14) couldn't have been persuaded by Bush to back his man or woman? I certainly don't buy that hogwash.

Just think, if it's true that we can only expect Bush to do what Collins, Voinovich, Snowe, Hagen, McLame, and little Lincoln Chaffee give their approval for, then the rest of his term is a total waste. But I guess in your eyes it's all so futile.


236 posted on 10/03/2005 8:09:02 PM PDT by Cautor
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To: Don'tMessWithTexas
His base is demoralized.

Some of them, yes; but I suspect when we actually find out about this woman, that song will change.

If a POTUS candidate promises to nominate conservative judges should we conclude that that promise is just a load of hot air?

I hope you're not referring to George Bush with that statement; so far, he's kept his word.

237 posted on 10/03/2005 8:10:20 PM PDT by Howlin
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To: Rumierules

I think I would have picked a man. How would you rack and stack the candidates as per your qualifications?


238 posted on 10/03/2005 8:10:50 PM PDT by Cautor
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To: Howlin

His base is demoralized.
Some of them, yes; but I suspect when we actually find out about this woman, that song will change.

Wow, another wide-eyed optimist for Bush (WEOB). If we find out differently, it will of course be too late won't it?

If a POTUS candidate promises to nominate conservative judges should we conclude that that promise is just a load of hot air?

I hope you're not referring to George Bush with that statement; so far, he's kept his word.

And your proof for this statement is what exactly?


239 posted on 10/03/2005 8:14:18 PM PDT by Cautor
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To: Cautor
I'm not wide-eyed about anything, but unlike you, I'm willing to WAIT to condemn her until I know the facts.

You seem to like jumping in without the knowledge to back up your accusations.

And your proof for this statement is what exactly?

Because all the judges he's had confirmed so far have been CONSERVATIVES; by the way, do you need to be reminded exactly WHO vetted those judges?

240 posted on 10/03/2005 8:17:00 PM PDT by Howlin
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