[Alter Kaker]

The Greeks are Europeans.

I'm not so sure. Much of Greece isn't anywhere near as developed: culturally, economically, politically as Turkey.

[wtc911]

The Greeks are Europeans. I'm not so sure. Much of Greece isn't anywhere near as developed: culturally, economically, politically as Turkey.

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By your standard Koreans, Taiwanese and Japanese are European. Your profile puts you in Israel. Turkey's current position is pro-Israel (but if Turkey's modern history has shown us anything it is that none of their positions is safe from the light breezes of political expediency - remember, turkey was Hitler's number one trading partner - until January 1945 when the writing was on the reichstag wall). I do suspect AK that this colors your opinion somewhat.

[AntiGuv]

Why exactly are you confusing "developed" with "European"? Sure, there's a high correlation between highly-developed society and European culture, but it is hardly a prerequisite.

In any case:

Greece's per capita GDP: $21,221
Turkey's per capita GDP: $7,302

So, no, Greece is far more economically developed than Turkey.

Freedom House Ratings

Greece: Political Rights 1; Civil Liberties 2; Status - Free
Turkey: Political Rights 3; Civil Liberties 3; Status - Partly Free

Hmm.. Doesn't seem that Turkey is more politically developed either (by typical Western standards)

More culturally developed??

Greece: Earliest records of any European language/culture 1,260 BC, from Achaia (the Peloponessus - in Europe).

Turkey: First historical references appear in Chinese records ca. 200 BC. Earliest known writing in Turkic language dates to 730 AD, from the vicinity of Asian Lake Baikal.

Strike three. You're out, bud!

[longtermmemmory]

You obviously know nothing about Europe or Greece.

Greece is very much more developed than Turkey both politically and ecconomically. (see recent oil pipeline and refining deals)

Unlike Turkey most of Greece's ecconomy is NOT invoved in agriculture. They do not have the military vs religious mulla problems that Turkey has.

In addition, Greece KEPT its treaty agreements with the USA. Turkey is the one which obstructed the USA.

[apro]

[quote]I'm not so sure. Much of Greece isn't anywhere near as developed: culturally, economically, politically as Turkey.[quote]

Are you kidding me? They own most of the banking systems in the Balkans and rank among the top 5 shipping powers in the world. Greek business alone created over thousands of job in many Balkan countries. The UN Human Development Index (HDI) which measures the poverty, literacy, education, life expectancy, and other factors for countries worldwide ranks Greece among its top 30 developed countries.

Greece - ranked 24
Cyprus - ranked 29
Turkey - ranked 94