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To: Sabramerican
If Republicans believe social issues will be at the fore in 2008, they are political suicidal.

I'm sure you think that adherence to "social issues" is a calculation, but for the vast majority of Republicans they are deeply held beliefs -- the basics of right and wrong in a civilized society, regardless of what is at the "fore".

45 posted on 10/02/2005 9:53:55 AM PDT by ElkGroveDan (California bashers will be called out)
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To: ElkGroveDan

People forget the importance of an energized base. It's very hard to win without that. And if you have an energized base, you can win with wider margines.


47 posted on 10/02/2005 9:56:33 AM PDT by Arthur Wildfire! March ("They'll have to basically rip my fingers from this porch." com/focus/bloggers/1483977/posts)
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To: ElkGroveDan

I am discussing the cold hard calculation of winning and losing Nationwide.

Some of you don't seem to realize that Republicans are in trouble.

Someone like Giuliani that you don't consider Republican enough may ironically be the only Republican that can win, with coat tails. At worst- for you -he maintains a bridge to a more "respectable" Republican next time.

The alternative is complete Democrat control which I am beginning to gather some would prefer.


65 posted on 10/02/2005 10:13:42 AM PDT by Sabramerican (Islam is to Peace as Rape is to Love)
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To: ElkGroveDan
...but for the vast majority of Republicans they are deeply held beliefs -- the basics of right and wrong in a civilized society, regardless of what is at the "fore".

What??? You mean principles and morals aren't things to be traded off and discarded as to fit into the latest "group"? You mean being on the winning team shouldn't mean more than actually standing firmly for something?,p>Yeah, I'm being sarcastic. Principles and morals are not things to be tossed to the side just so we can "win". Because if we do that, we haven't really won anything.

Hillary or Rudy in 2008. Not much difference. If it comes to that...

176 posted on 10/02/2005 12:58:29 PM PDT by Double Tap
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