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Vista's licensing speeds NSW govt move to Linux desktops
Linux World ^ | 2005-09-29 | Julian Bajkowski

Posted on 10/01/2005 12:59:08 PM PDT by N3WBI3

The NSW Office of State Revenue (OSR) is taking a tough stance against Microsoft's decision to make an enterprise edition of Windows Vista only available to companies that have signed on to its Software Assurance program. The tax collection agency has declared it would rather switch desktop operating systems than lock itself into Microsoft's licensing regime.

Delivering a presentation at the South East Asian Regional Computer Confederation (SEARCC 05) in Sydney yesterday, OSR chief information officer Mike Kennedy and the agency's manager of client services Pravash Babhoota confirmed they would start scoping for a move to a Linux desktop within six months.

The OSR collects taxes, levies and duty for the NSW government and is the second biggest revenue authority in Australia after the Australian Taxation Office. Answering directly to the NSW Treasury, OSR has about 600 staff, 200 of which it recruited during the past year.

Babhoota said the agency had already successfully bedded down open source on its back-end, running its Oracle 9i and 10g core databases and assorted other transactional applications over Citrix on Dell-based clusters and had guarantees of open source support from key enterprise applications vendors.

While the back-end migration consisted of moving off heavier Unix- and Solaris-based operating systems running on Sun hardware, Babhoota said the emergence of a new version of Microsoft Windows, Office and their commensurate licensing would naturally lead his IT shop to consider consolidating its applications on open source.

"At this stage the benefits have been in delivering [savings through] consolidation and thin clients. In a few more months the focus will shift to replacing Office," Babhoota said.

Asked whether Microsoft's Software Assurance subscription licensing regime - under which volume users pay an annual fee for support, patches and upgrades - was influencing any potential shift on desktops, Babhoota said previous upgrade offers from Microsoft had provided a less than compelling economic case to his organization.

In particular, he said early offers to upgrade from NT to XP under Software Assurance had not provided sufficient value in their initial stages, noting the waiting game had paid off because ultimately prices dropped while stability, functionality and support increased.

"As soon as support ends for XP, we will look at moving to Linux [desktops]," Babhoota said, adding the back-end switch to open source had cost 17 percent of what a proprietary upgrade had been costed at, with the agency doubling the amount of business it processed in the same 12-month period.


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Miscellaneous
KEYWORDS: linux; opensource; vista
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To: Golden Eagle
"Free" software is most often a loss leader, an age old capitalist business practice, such as when a store sells eggs at cost, when Microsoft gives away their web browser to gain market share, when a hardware manufacture wants to increase hardware sales, when a services company wants to sell other services. A big reason behind open source software's success is it's not Microsoft. Computer users often wisely want more than one source.

Free Republic is a marketplace of ideas, not a stock shilling site. It would be nice if you had an idea once in a while about a different subject. Your obsessive posts may be to the point of having the opposite effect of promoting Microsoft.

81 posted on 10/02/2005 9:45:33 PM PDT by Reeses
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To: Golden Eagle

Or they can wait a few weeks, as Suse Linux Professional v10 will be out. And Novell dropped the price. It's now $59.00 retail (down from $99) And they've got a special right now, where if you order it directly, before the shipping date, they'll ship it for free.

Mark


82 posted on 10/02/2005 10:13:48 PM PDT by MarkL (I didn't get to where I am today by worrying about what I'd feel like tomorrow!)
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To: Golden Eagle
So george soros being one of the richest men in the world is obviously a conservatice capitalist right? And non of the leadership in China or the then Soviet Union (who were communist) accumulated weath?

Bill gates praised the chicoms, end of story..

83 posted on 10/02/2005 10:43:09 PM PDT by N3WBI3 (If SCO wants to go fishing they should buy a permit and find a lake like the rest of us..)
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To: Golden Eagle
IMHO...Corporations invest in consultants/support and detailed fail safe planning for a vary obvious reason.

The usual IT support director, thats right, the socially inept one with the clumsy gate and slight stale odor, just might be hauled off for downloading porn on his fabulously quad monitored outfitted special workstation or be forced to leave employment for harboring old outdated musty closely held failed technologies that he never honestly reports.

Unless an OldStuffDavinci code book is found, how would the next in line be able to unravel the spaghetti code and little exception thingies.

Is this where I'm supposed to insert /sarcasm?

84 posted on 10/03/2005 8:57:10 AM PDT by carmelanne (Sacred policies should be reviewd every six months!)
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To: Golden Eagle

^^^^^^^^^^^Sure you can't stand Stallman, you just spend every spare moment pushing his free software on everyone out of your disgust.^^^^^^^^^

Actually... no. Like or not, the way things sit now the better software is on the OSS side.

I dare you to run your computer without antivirus and firewall for a week. Let us know what happens.......


85 posted on 10/03/2005 9:43:34 AM PDT by Halfmanhalfamazing (You upgraded to Linux? No, I'm not surprised your computer works properly now. Amazing, no?)
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To: Golden Eagle

"kudos for admitting the obvious" "you can't be that blind"

Those are oxymorons of each other.

Earlier you said "around here", surely you have a few usernames.


86 posted on 10/03/2005 9:49:44 AM PDT by Halfmanhalfamazing (You upgraded to Linux? No, I'm not surprised your computer works properly now. Amazing, no?)
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To: Reeses

It should go without saying that it's not a very effective "loss leader" when only 2% of the users ever actually pay for it.

http://www.businessweek.com/technology/content/oct2005/tc2005103_0519_tc_218.htm?site=cbs&campaign_id=cbs


87 posted on 10/03/2005 7:14:13 PM PDT by Golden Eagle
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To: N3WBI3
Microsoft's decision to make an enterprise edition of Windows Vista only available to companies that have signed on to its Software Assurance program.

I was wondering what MS would do to force people onto SA.

88 posted on 10/04/2005 10:25:01 AM PDT by antiRepublicrat
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To: Golden Eagle
Which is why that model will eventually suffer, once that software matures enough that no one is buying support, at all.

Windows has been around for a very long time, but corporations and large developers still usually buy support.

89 posted on 10/04/2005 10:28:27 AM PDT by antiRepublicrat
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To: Golden Eagle
Another foreign government switching away from software created and sold in the US

I'm all for free markets. If we don't make the best and people don't want to buy from us, then it's our own damn fault. But then the best Linux distros are from American companies.

90 posted on 10/04/2005 10:30:38 AM PDT by antiRepublicrat
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To: Golden Eagle; Bulwark
Typical insults from you fanatics.

Typical insults? No, I think he pretty much factually slammed you on that one.

91 posted on 10/04/2005 10:33:01 AM PDT by antiRepublicrat
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To: antiRepublicrat
Windows has been around for a very long time, but corporations and large developers still usually buy support.

And your proof of this claim is?

92 posted on 10/04/2005 10:43:09 AM PDT by Golden Eagle
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To: antiRepublicrat

Prove most MS customers buy additional support, else I am completely correct.


93 posted on 10/04/2005 10:44:10 AM PDT by Golden Eagle
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To: Golden Eagle
It's funny watching you guys claim both you and your software products require constant vendor support,

You miss the point. They don't necessarily require support, but accountability requires that the company get support.

As the product matures, it should become more stable and lead to less bizarre and unexpected failures.

Then by your definition, Windows is not yet mature. BTW, HP/UX has been out for 20 years. Please tell me why people still buy support.

You also fail to take into account that Linux itself may be only 14 years old (yes, older than NT and not much younger than 16-bit Windows), but the design is based on a quite stable and proven 36 year-old OS.

94 posted on 10/04/2005 10:47:56 AM PDT by antiRepublicrat
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To: Golden Eagle
doesn't distract from the fact that mature software requires less support.

Actually, you'd think that the quality rather than the age would be the main indicator of support. Most people who work with Windows, Mac and Linux generally report that Windows is the most troublesome.

95 posted on 10/04/2005 10:50:21 AM PDT by antiRepublicrat
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To: Bulwark; Golden Eagle
If you had a lot of development experience, you'd know that part of the reason things break is the unexpected.

You remind me of a problem we had with the tried and true, very mature HP/UX. It had a problem seeing too many hops away so we had to set up a Linux (then only four years old) box as a relay because HP couldn't fix the problem quickly enough.

96 posted on 10/04/2005 10:55:02 AM PDT by antiRepublicrat
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To: Golden Eagle
Why, wasn't everyone using a Unix stack back then? If you don't expect others to use it, don't give it away. At least BSD does actually give it away,

The funny part is -- get this -- Microsoft paid for it. But it was removed as of NT 3.5.

97 posted on 10/04/2005 11:00:04 AM PDT by antiRepublicrat
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To: N3WBI3; Golden Eagle
nd they will as the DNC and commies tie themselves tighter and tighter to it

Watch out, he's about to start ranting about them stealing our bodily fluids.

98 posted on 10/04/2005 11:05:26 AM PDT by antiRepublicrat
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To: Golden Eagle
I also promote Sun and Apple but no one cares about them anymore, free software has already almost wiped them out completely.

Microsoft, plus some of Apple's own bad moves, are what almost took out Apple. Apple has grown exponentially during the time that Linux became widely popular. And they did it partially on free software.

99 posted on 10/04/2005 11:07:38 AM PDT by antiRepublicrat
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To: antiRepublicrat

No kidding I love neoOffice and firefox on my mac..


100 posted on 10/04/2005 11:13:54 AM PDT by N3WBI3 (If SCO wants to go fishing they should buy a permit and find a lake like the rest of us..)
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