Thank you Oorang for this link.
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http://hewar.khayma.com/showthread.php?s=80e202a2e45efa940d7eb38d64511133&threadid=44903&perpage=10&pagenumber=16
http://hewar.khayma.com/showthread.php?s=80e202a2e45efa940d7eb38d64511133&threadid=44903&perpage=10&pagenumber=17