FYI.
When there's a great deal of commotion, it is hard to keep an eye on things. There are reasons why so many firebugs are firehouse volunteers...they go where the fires are.
I'd urge every youth minister to keep the activity level to the point that he can keep an eagle eye on the volunteers.
Nothing happened in my case, but my nature is risk averse and others might call me paranoid.
It's about the control......and the power over others.......
It would never happen if they let volunteers marry.
Hey AP, perhaps you can explain this article in light of your superior knowledge of the Holy Writ.
How to destroy America and the Western Culture through the destruction of the Church....
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...E. Both Capitalism and Judaeo-Christian culture must be destroyed before a Communist revolution can succeed
......1. Religious sentiment cannot be destroyed through legislation, as Lenin believed, but must be redirected from the divine to the state
.........a. Terror will only drive Religion underground
.........b. Religion will then reemerge when Leninism fails
.........c. So Religion must be destroyed in the minds of men
......2. Infiltrate religious academies and become priests and clergymen
.........a. Subtly promote heresy within religious organizations
.........b. Infiltrators must act so as to discredit the church
............(1) Cause financial and sexual scandals
............(2) See that this is given a high profile in the news
............(3) Like-minded infiltrators in the media will cooperate
......3. Once religion is discredited from within, continuously promote the idea that only the state can solve the problems that have been traditionally brought before the church
...F. When propagating revolutionary ideas, cloak them in polite terms
......1. National Consensus
......2. Popular Mandate
......3. National Pacification
......4. Pluralism
......5. Global Community
......6. Economic Justice
......7. Economic Democracy
......8. Liberation Theology
......9. Direct Action
...G. Marxists "must enter into every civil, cultural, and political activity in every nation, leavening them as yeast leavens bread."
Note: While reading this, think back over what the left has done to this country.
ANTONIO GRAMSCI
Hey tollerance is great right? Love the sinner, let him sin?
Protestant's liberal attitudes toward interpreting the bible have begged Satan to come on in. When you play with hellfire you're gonna get burned.
ping
The Christian Science Monitor and CBS have something in common.
http://www.csmonitor.com/2003/0620/p01s03-woiq.html
This has been recieved with howls and moans from many "Staunch believers" And yet the articles have born witness to these words and waning time after time.
I am a born again spirit-filled beleiver and I have pastored as well -- I am not crying out against beleiveing in God and walking with him and serving him, I cry against the sin and corruption in that which calls itself the "chruch"
Rush Limbaugh has said that most people act as if history began when they were born and view things from a skewed centered around them and their times
I perceive that that can be said of beleivers as well. I got saved in the early 1970's and for a time I walked in the beleif that we were walking in full light and truth, that my pastor was the mouth piece of God and that every thing he spoke and taught was as he was an Oracle of God.
But God chose to lead me down another path and I began going to verious churches and meetings regularly 5 -6 meetings a week from different denominations to fellowship with those who loved the Lord
Over time several things became discernable that in a lot of pentecostal churches there bulk of the members were luke warm in spirit that in most of these churches there were a few that really loved and served the Lord and generally that did not include many of the preachers priest or what have you.
It was discrenable but I did not pay much mind to it because I was a young teen had really little Idea of what I was seeing.
Somewhere around that same time I realized in reading the prophets that their words were decrying the church as a whole that the sins enumerated, the prophecies against the prophets the shepherds the watchmen were to those in the church - I began to speak these things in meetings where they were had times for people to share what God was showing them -- in general it was not well recieved and grown-ups resented having a 14 -15 year old child speaking things from scriopture. I was actuially moved out of a meeting to a childrens fellowship where kids were draing with crayons Gospel lessons -- And yet in another case at the same time some adults approached me and on saturdays they would take me to a restarant by me a meal and have me preach and expound for 90 minutes to two hours.
Eventually I was gotten to and told I was "too negative" and that Christians were not to judge or speak ill of anything were were only to exort and comfort. So accepting these words I walked that way.
Yet God kept showing me and spoke to me on seperation of that which is sin and that which is holy. He kept speaking to me on discerning that which is true and false.
I went to bible school a supposed school of the spirit where people were to be trained for an endtime visitation of God -- when I arrived I had expected to find a place for the first time in my life where everyone loved and served God with all there hearts after all this was a bible school and the churches all would have sent theri best and most promising there.
That was not the case. harly a soul there prayed and sought God. Hardly a soul there read the word of God on theri own appart from assignments or preparing for out-station meetings. Hardly a soul there had the warm glow of the love of God and felt compelling to speak of His love and Glory. Instead this place was filled with clicks people spoke of sporting events, worldliness, dating, they hung out every night at the snackbar for hours socializing. And these were the people that were to be the vangard in the church there were people that were to become pastors teacher and elders in the church.
I visited other bible schools and found the same things.
Recently a close friend has gone to a huge baptist/ fundamentaist bible school and found once again the same things once again.
The church is and has been imploading for decades and it is so bad and rampant now that more and more people are starting to notice it for the first time. And this is rocking their boat, it is shaking them
If your faith is being shaken how If your questioning if the Goespel is true by these mounting failures you see around you today in the Church what are you going to do and where are you going to go when the titular self-appointed apostles teachers and evangelists of this tay fall in greivious sin and scandal?
Jeremiah 12:5 If thou hast run with the footmen, and they have wearied thee, then how canst thou contend with horses? and if in the land of peace, wherein thou trustedst, they wearied thee, then how wilt thou do in the swelling of Jordan?
Jesus spoke and prophesied of this when he spoke The parable of the house built on the sand.
Look now at the context
Matthew 7:22-28 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works? And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity. Therefore whosoever heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them, I will liken him unto a wise man, which built his house upon a rock: See there is no break here and Christ says that the MANY of this day shall come and say to him saying . . . And he says of these MANY I never knew you -- this is the "Church" not the great unwashed and unsaved he is saying the Church will be filled with people that never knew him -- people that have gone all their lives with going to church going through the motions and doing lots of "Christianesque" (New word) works. But that the breath of God the wind or storm shall breath upon those churches, ministries and denominations to see what sort of work they be and that they shall all fall and great and hjorrible sdestruction shall come upon those that built it and all that are there in and to all that trust in these houses for their salvation. Matthew 7:25-28And the rain descended, and the floods came, and the winds blew Greek Pneuma wind breath spirit So the Spirit of God blew upon it -- this phrase is used in the OT in the Prophets ) and b , and beat upon that house; and it fell not: for it was founded upon a rock. 26And every one that heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them not, shall be likened unto a foolish man, which built his house upon the sand: 27And the rain descended, and the floods came, and the winds blew, and beat upon that house; and it fell: and great was the fall of it. 28And it came to pass, when Jesus had ended these sayings, the people were astonished at his doctrine:
Who today is astonished when they read this parable -- yet his hearers in that day were for they say something in these words that we do not.
Leading up to this Christ says that a faith spoken in word alone will not get one into heaven. And a confession with the lips of Christ is not enough in and of itself. Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.
Prior to that in this same sermon Christ says: Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire.
Good fruits are not prophesying healing the sick casting out devils, calling Christ Lord or other churchy things -- the Good Fruit is hearing the Father and doing what he says. --I a say when no one hears the word tha proceedeth from the mouth of the father but waves around their bibles what can such a condemnation of Chirst mean?
Matthew 7:15-16 Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves. Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles?
Jesus here compares false prophets and false teachers with fruit from thorns and thistles -- the parable of the sower tell us that this is the thorns and thissles are the cares of this world and in this parable tells us that false prophets and teachers are those who teach and prophesy from a standpoint of beling themselves englulf in thorns and thistles so that they in effect have become thorns and tihstles -- to that when they open their mouths and out of the treeasures in their hearts they speak of the pleasures of the things of this world.
Is it any surprist that Paul speaks of this same thing in and like Christ he speaks it as individuals building the temple within and teachers and preachers building "Churches" denominations and ministeries
1 Corinthians 3:10-17 According to the grace of God which is given unto me, as a wise masterbuilder, I have laid the foundation, and another buildeth thereon. But let every man take heed how he buildeth thereupon.11For other foundation can no man lay than that is laid, which is Jesus Christ. 12Now if any man build upon this foundation gold, silver, precious stones, wood, hay, stubble; 13Every man's work shall be made manifest: for the day shall declare it, because it shall be revealed by fire; and the fire shall try every man's work of what sort it is. 14If any man's work abide which he hath built thereupon, he shall receive a reward. 15If any man's work shall be burned, he shall suffer loss: but he himself shall be saved; yet so as by fire. 16Know ye not that ye are the temple of God, and that the Spirit of God dwelleth in you? 17If any man defile the temple of God, him shall God destroy; for the temple of God is holy, which temple ye are.
The difference is the breath of the spirit in one is storm and rain and flood waters and in the Other it is fire and the judgement of God turning all earthly corrupt words to ashes.
We need to hear the voice of God. He yet speaks. How is it that the bible is full of his acts and works among the common men but it is preached that only our priests and pastors can hear?
Pray and reach out to God and he will speak to you? Did not God say when you shall cry out to me with all your hear I shall be heard of you?
The reason your troubled is you are built on a wrong foundation of denominations and ministries -- God is going to breath on them and they are all going to fail and if you remain hanging onto such with a death grip you will be swept away with them.
Paul says there is not other foundation that can be laid except Jesus Christ -- that means something.
Your pastor did not die for your sins your priest can not redeem you your church denomination or ministry did not shed their blood for you on calvary
Their purpose is to guide you to Christ and lead you to truth. -- The "Church" is supposed to be a priesthood of all beleivers where were are priests and kings unto God. Not priests between man and God, or priests and rulers over men.
BTTT!
**James Cobble, executive director of CMR, who oversees the survey, says the data show that child sex-abuse happens broadly across all denominations– and that clergy aren’t the major offenders.
“The Catholics have gotten all the attention from the media, but this problem is even greater with the Protestant churches simply because of their far larger numbers,” he says. **
BTTT with some real facts.
Sex abuse spans spectrum of [non-Catholic] churches
WV Pastor Wanted for Soliciting A Minor
The humiliation of the Southern Baptist convention
Clay County Baptist pastor accused of sexual battery of child
Fox News Report
In fundamentalist and evangelical churches -- sexual abuse
Other non-Catholic churches and sexual abuse
FYI
Where are all the protestants that crash Catholic threads? We need to hear from them about this, too!
for later
While it may happen anywhere nowhere is it systemically covered up and its perpetrators shuffled to unsuspecting congregations as it is in the Roman church. That is the difference
Seems a big difference is in COVERING UP. Many churches now screen helpers, but what has caused huge problems for the Catholics is the homosexual aspect and the cover up of pedophiles/homosexuals by those above them.
Not surprised.
Sadly, it is across board in the Christian Faith community.
1 Peter 4:17.