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Bill Bennett was citing Freakonomics by Levitt and Dubner
Freakonomics, A Rogue Economist Explores the Hidden Side of Everything (book) | 2005 | Steven D. Levitt

Posted on 09/30/2005 3:31:28 PM PDT by patriciaruth

From Freakonomics by Steven D. Levitt and Stephen J. Dubner

"So, how did Roe v. Wade trigger, a generation later, the greatest crime drop in recorded history?

"As far as crime is concerned, it turns out that not all children are born equal. Not even close.

"Decades of study have show that a child born into an adverse family environment is far more likely than other children to become a criminal. And the millions of women likely to have an abortion in the wake of Roe v. Wade--poor, unmarried and teenage mothers for whom illegal abortions had been too expensive or too hard to get--were often models of adversity. They were the very women whose children, if born, would have been much more likely than average to become criminals. But because of Roe v. Wade these children weren't being born. This powerful cause would have a drastic, distant effect: years later, just as these children would have entered their criminal primes, the rate of crime began to plummet.

"It wasn't gun control or a strong economy or new police strategies that finally blunted the American crime wave. It was, among other factors [including building more prisons and incarcerating criminals with longer sentences], the reality that the pool of potential criminals had dramatically shrunk."


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Extended News
KEYWORDS: abortion; billbennett; crime; crimerate; freakonomics; roeeffect
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To: freebilly

"If you're white and comment, no matter how honestly, on any issue impacting the black community you'll be labeled a racist if you aren't apologizing and beating yourself bloody for something your ancestors may or may not have done 200 years ago."

Unless you're senator "Sheets" Byrd, former KKK member, who uses terms like "white nigger" with impunity.


21 posted on 09/30/2005 4:40:52 PM PDT by Cautor
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To: Cautor

And lets not forget Democrat Lt. Gov. Bustamante's use of the N word in California, for which he apologized and was immediately forgiven by Democrats.

Bill Bennett knows the rules. Republicans are not allowed to discuss race related issues.


22 posted on 09/30/2005 4:49:23 PM PDT by patriciaruth (They are all Mike Spanns)
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To: Callahan

Now would be a perfect time to link abortion with its original purpose - eugenics.


23 posted on 09/30/2005 4:51:46 PM PDT by mabelkitty
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To: superfries

Do research on the mother of abortion.


24 posted on 09/30/2005 4:53:06 PM PDT by mabelkitty
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To: superfries

Google.

It's very well documented.


25 posted on 09/30/2005 4:53:07 PM PDT by chudogg (www.chudogg.blogspot.com)
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To: patriciaruth

"And lets not forget Democrat Lt. Gov. Bustamante's use of the N word in California, for which he apologized and was immediately forgiven by Democrats"

Another good example. I think the Republicans should be defending Bennett, not running away from his comments which. I'm glad to Bennett he blasted the old murdering lard ass from Mass (Teddy Boy) noting that he wasn't going to take any moral lessons from the coward who killed a young woman.


26 posted on 09/30/2005 4:54:45 PM PDT by Cautor
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To: patriciaruth
Yes, but Bill Bennett restated what Freakonomics said in a way he SHOULD have known would be offensive and racially inflammatory especially when taken out of context.

Even IN CONTEXT I think his choice of words was really bad. It's sounded racist.

27 posted on 09/30/2005 4:56:19 PM PDT by Jorge (Q)
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To: patriciaruth

I guess I'm way on the outside of this.
I never heard of the book.
I had no idea there was a defense of aborting babies.
Are you telling me this is a conservative book?


28 posted on 09/30/2005 4:57:08 PM PDT by mabelkitty
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To: mabelkitty

Book is not conservative or liberal.

It is a discussion of studies that analyzed data and revealed some interesting realities, cause and effect situations, etc.

Only in the sense that it relies on facts not emotions to come to its conclusions is it conservative.

Only in the sense that some data does not support some conservative policy proposals as being effective, like school choice, is it liberal.


29 posted on 09/30/2005 5:05:53 PM PDT by patriciaruth (They are all Mike Spanns)
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To: BlueNgold
"I have listened to the entire conversation, read the transcripts"
Can you please provide a link to the transcripts?"
30 posted on 09/30/2005 5:07:29 PM PDT by Souled_Out
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To: patriciaruth

I have that book....I knew exactly what he was quoting...but the media is too self absorbed to get it.


31 posted on 09/30/2005 5:07:45 PM PDT by BurbankKarl
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To: Williams
The point is Bennett was arguing against using this kind of information to portray any positive side of abortion. He was calling this an immoral approach. What is being done to Bennett is absolutely unfair.

Why did he feel the need to specify a race in his comment? Levitt and Dunber didn't.

32 posted on 09/30/2005 5:09:04 PM PDT by Non-Sequitur
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To: mabelkitty
Are you telling me this is a conservative book?

It is neither conservative nor liberal, just interesting.

33 posted on 09/30/2005 5:10:39 PM PDT by Non-Sequitur
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To: mabelkitty; chudogg
thanks, wow was I way behind the power curve on this one! The hypocrisy of liberals embracing abortion and Planned Parenthood is astounding....but not surprising. Thanks again for the info!
34 posted on 09/30/2005 5:11:15 PM PDT by superfries
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To: Non-Sequitur
Bill Bennett has been deeply involved in trying to help poor, black children get educated and get good jobs for a long time. Their plight, and the problems that hold them back, have been in his mind for a long time.

He was once Secretary of Education, I think. Let me go check that.

35 posted on 09/30/2005 5:12:09 PM PDT by patriciaruth (They are all Mike Spanns)
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To: BlueNgold
The fact remains that he took a leap and clearly drew an association between blacks and crime. It is not that he advocated genocide or anything of the sort, it is the simple truth that he made a statement that it is a 'fact' that if you were to abort all the black babies that you would lower the crime rate.

That statement alone, even within the context of his dicsussion of the text you referenced, seems to draw an association within the mind of Mr. Bennett between blacks and crime, and as such is an indefensible statement.

Have you ever taken a look at the FBI Uniform Crime Reports?

You can dislike the statistical evidence as much as you want, but it is beyond dispute that blacks account for a disproportionate amount of violent crime

36 posted on 09/30/2005 5:12:37 PM PDT by SauronOfMordor
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To: Non-Sequitur

Bill Bennett served as United States Secretary of Education from 1985 to 1988. He was also the first person to occupy the post of "drug czar".


37 posted on 09/30/2005 5:13:56 PM PDT by patriciaruth (They are all Mike Spanns)
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To: patriciaruth
Bill Bennett served as United States Secretary of Education from 1985 to 1988. He was also the first person to occupy the post of "drug czar".

And yesterday he made an ass out of himself with his comments on blacks and crime.

38 posted on 09/30/2005 5:15:25 PM PDT by Non-Sequitur
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To: Non-Sequitur; patriciaruth

I was just going to ask this question, because the majority of women who have abortions are not poor black women. In fact, I've cited studies on term papers in this regard, and I would be shocked if the information had changed.


39 posted on 09/30/2005 5:15:30 PM PDT by mabelkitty
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To: patriciaruth
""It wasn't gun control or a strong economy or new police strategies that finally blunted the American crime wave. It was, among other factors [including building more prisons and incarcerating criminals with longer sentences], the reality that the pool of potential criminals had dramatically shrunk."

It's amazing how the "crime" rate drops when you redefine murdering children as legal. "Crime" goes down somewhat in exchange for a huge increase in "surgical procedures" across the nation.

It's too bad I'm not a famous author like these two. I'm only capable of seeing abortion as a horrendous business where a child's life is traded for personal prosperity.

Not the wonderful tool of social engineering the enlightened see.

40 posted on 09/30/2005 5:22:31 PM PDT by avg_freeper (Gunga galunga. Gunga, gunga galunga)
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