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To: truthfinder9
It's amazing that these Darwinian Fundamentalists .... What's amazing is that religious fundamentalists seek to elevate themselves by promoting the "science" of ID, while they denigrate science by calling it "religious".
Maybe just a case of "science envy"?
2 posted on
09/30/2005 2:14:02 PM PDT by
narby
(Creationists and IDers, Stuck On Stupid for 150 years.)
To: truthfinder9
5 posted on
09/30/2005 2:16:53 PM PDT by
orionblamblam
("You're the poster boy for what ID would turn out if it were taught in our schools." VadeRetro)
To: truthfinder9
If they could burn the ID heretics at the stake, they would.
6 posted on
09/30/2005 2:17:32 PM PDT by
Rapscallion
(Please sit down and tell me logically and quietly.)
To: truthfinder9
The statement goes so far as to claim, Methodological naturalism, the view that natural phenomena can be explained without reference to supernatural beings or events, is the foundation of the sciences. Ill be the first to admit Im not a scientist, but I thought that the heart of the sciences was the study of natural phenomena to gather knowledge of the universe. I thought we were supposed to start without any foregone conclusions about the supernatural at all, that is, if we wanted to be truly scientific. Ok, I'll bite. How does one incorporate a reference to the supernatural in a scientific inquiry? Just stick a little parenthetical in saying "here a miracle occurs" and hope no one notices?
7 posted on
09/30/2005 2:19:03 PM PDT by
atlaw
To: truthfinder9
Too bad. IDers have made the fatal mistake of trying to graft a non-scientific idea onto science. Then they complain when scientists oppose their nonsense. ID is going down. It's only a matter of time.
8 posted on
09/30/2005 2:19:50 PM PDT by
ValenB4
("Every system is perfectly designed to get the results it gets." - Isaac Asimov)
To: truthfinder9
All we are asking is that science pursue all the evidence. So you want this taught? I have a few others I could post if you are truly interest in "all the evidence." Let me know.
Zulu Creation Myth
The Ancient One, known as Unkulunkulu, is the Zulu creator. He came from the reeds (uthlanga, means source) and from them he brought forth the people and the cattle. He created everything that is: mountains, streams, snakes, etc. He taught the Zulu how to hunt, how to make fire, and how to grow food. He is considered to be the First Man and is in everything that he created.
http://www.gateway-africa.com/stories/
9 posted on
09/30/2005 2:21:19 PM PDT by
Coyoteman
(I love the sound of beta decay in the morning!)
To: truthfinder9
"What we can't say we can't say, and we can't whistle it either." - Frank Ramsey
To: truthfinder9
re: I dont think Im exaggerating when I say that this thing is getting out of control. )))
Their franchise is threatened. Their Grants. Their status.
16 posted on
09/30/2005 2:25:50 PM PDT by
Mamzelle
To: truthfinder9
LOL.
What's next?
"It's not gravity, it's 'Intelligent Falling'. "
20 posted on
09/30/2005 2:28:22 PM PDT by
SJSAMPLE
To: truthfinder9
The Inquisition, What a Show!
23 posted on
09/30/2005 2:32:20 PM PDT by
BigEdLB
(BigEd)
To: truthfinder9
I find all this sensitivity to having one's beliefs questioned or contradicted very entertaining.
Put a gun to my head, make me sing "Old Rugged Cross" or bow down to Mecca- you're not going to change the faith or beliefs in my heart. As (I think) Saint Thomas Aquinas said, without free will, faith cannot exist.
My daughter learns Darwinist science in school. And she learns our faith's creation stories at home. She gets to choose which to believe- or maybe decide that science and religion aren't mutually exclusive.
As my wife's old professor used to say, "When evolution makes these sudden leaps, that science can't explain- there is the hand of God."
26 posted on
09/30/2005 2:35:22 PM PDT by
Ostlandr
(sator arepo tenet opera rotas -tr. The Creator, with great effort, holds the works of his Creation.)
To: truthfinder9
I'd say Iowa State University has 120 smart professors and one extreme ignorance spewing blog writer.
29 posted on
09/30/2005 2:37:24 PM PDT by
shuckmaster
(Bring back SeaLion and ModernMan!)
To: truthfinder9
Nice post. Some what like the MSM Darwinists are sooo biased they don't even know they're biased.
37 posted on
09/30/2005 2:42:01 PM PDT by
Nuc1
(NUC1 Sub pusher SSN 668)
To: truthfinder9
The Darwinist inquisition, as a Discovery Institute press release calls it, Now there's a fine impartial source.
What's next? Citing a Code Pink press release comment on G W Bush?
58 posted on
09/30/2005 2:56:43 PM PDT by
Oztrich Boy
(Paging Nehemiah Scudder:the Crazy Years are peaking. America is ready for you.)
To: truthfinder9
Darwinian evolution, the favored opiate of atheists.
61 posted on
09/30/2005 2:59:50 PM PDT by
porkchops 4 mahound
(Where have all the Winnebagos gone? How long does it take for a VW to evolve into a Winnebago?)
To: truthfinder9
"One of the great myths of our time is the idea that undirected process could somehow be responsible for turning dead chemicals into all the complexity of living things. The current state of abiogenesis is summarized by Klause Dose:
More than thirty years of experimentation on the origin of life in the fields of chemical and molecular evolution have led to a better perception of the immensity of the problem of the origin of life on Earth rather than to its solution. At present all discussions on principle theories and experiments in the field end in stalemate or in a confession of ignorance."
Until the Darwinian fundamentalists can demonstrate a "natural" way to significantly reverse entropy, they should bow to the statisticians.
I am not saying that a natural process won't eventually be discovered, but as of today the idea that life began through a random process is as ludicrous as an earth centered solar system.
And please spare me any reference to the Miller/Urey sham.
I am not a religious person, and don't want biblical creationism taught in school, but I do wish the scientific community would stop being so dogmatic in its support of Darwinian evolutionary science. Darwin did a splendid job of explaining some of the evolutionary process, but to extrapolate this theory to all aspects of this process is an exercise in blind faith.
To: truthfinder9
Nice, fair, balanced article. Thanks for posting.
86 posted on
09/30/2005 3:18:59 PM PDT by
mlc9852
To: truthfinder9
Ill be the first to admit Im not a scientist, but I thought that the heart of the sciences was the study of natural phenomena to gather knowledge of the universe. I thought we were supposed to start without any foregone conclusions about the supernatural at all, that is, if we wanted to be truly scientific. That's where he doesn't get it. The supernatural is always a possible explanation, but where we accept it as a possibility, we stifle the search for natural explanations.
Case in point; it used to be thought that human disease was a consequence of sin, and that therefore the only efficacious way of curing it was prayer. The Black Death is a testimony tot eh effectiveness of that approach. Starting in about the 18th century, we started to look for naturalistic causes for disease, and now we accept that disease has naturalistic and not supernatural causes. As a result we've been able to find cures for many diseases, where previously supernaturalists came up with no effective treatment at all.
That is why we adopt methodological naturalism. And, of course, so does Colson. When he gets sick, he goes to a doctor, not a preacher.
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112 posted on
09/30/2005 3:30:49 PM PDT by
shuckmaster
(Bring back SeaLion and ModernMan!)
To: truthfinder9
Oh no, the sky is falling! How dare ANYONE question Darwin! Especially a trained biologist like myself! Oh dear! Why this is just terrible!
118 posted on
09/30/2005 3:34:33 PM PDT by
Doc Savage
(...because they stand on a wall, and they say nothing is going to hurt you tonight, not on my watch!)
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