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Spider 'is 20 million years old'
BBCNews ^ | 9/30/05 | BBCNEWS

Posted on 09/30/2005 9:17:27 AM PDT by bigmac0707

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To: Old Professer

"So, this old boy was down to his last 1.5 PPM, eh?"

1. I have no idea what the real C-14 baseline is; chart for example only to respond to the "don't work after 1 halflife" argument".

2. I understand the C-14 dating to have decreasing confidence relatively quickly (100 or so thousand years), so I would think C-14 was not the method used.

3. There are other radioactive-decay dating methods with other elements that reach farther back (that cost more $$$ to run) --- no idea what method was used here.

4. I would assume (without knowledge) that (if this scientist is not a reckless idiot, which is possible) 3 or 4 methods are used at the same time to see if they corrollate, as any one does not necessarily give you a lot of confidence. For example --- strata, radioactive dating, similar items with known date ranges found locally, etc. If all combine to give same date range, you have a pretty good idea of date.


81 posted on 09/30/2005 10:06:27 AM PDT by MeanWestTexan (A good friend helps you move. A great friend helps you move a body.)
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To: AppyPappy
Do you believe everything he tells you?

Of course not. I was being facetious.

82 posted on 09/30/2005 10:06:27 AM PDT by Alter Kaker (Whatever tears one may shed, in the end one always blows one’s nose.-Heine)
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To: Alter Kaker

Jesus was known as "Jesus, The Christ" to be most accurate.

You do not have to choose to believe it, but it is still fact that the nomenclature for marking years in the western world for 2 thousand years was Anno Dommini (A.D.) "Year of God" that began with the birth of Jesus of Nazareth - the Christ. and marking years before that was called BC Before Christ.

That is HISTORICAL FACT - or are you in favor of the communist ideologies of erasing and revising of history?

Maybe you only have problems with titles? Do you also have problems with the title: Mister, Sir, President, etc?

"The Christ" is Jesus' Title. No?


83 posted on 09/30/2005 10:08:48 AM PDT by hombre_sincero (www.spadata.com)
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To: Prime Choice
Even 50,000 is much too shy of 20,000,000. Strata levels can be laid down in minutes to days given the right catastrophe.
84 posted on 09/30/2005 10:10:07 AM PDT by Free Baptist
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To: MeanWestTexan; Coyoteman

Pinging a professional.


85 posted on 09/30/2005 10:10:07 AM PDT by Right Wing Professor
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To: bigmac0707

OK, we know the truth about what happened to this spider 20 million years ago... Bush's fault!


86 posted on 09/30/2005 10:11:10 AM PDT by A CA Guy (God Bless America, God bless and keep safe our fighting men and women.)
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To: bigmac0707
Interesting, but it's still a spider. Just step on it.
87 posted on 09/30/2005 10:12:13 AM PDT by VadeRetro (Liberalism is a cancer on society. Creationism is a cancer on conservatism.)
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To: hombre_sincero; Alter Kaker; Religion Moderator
"The Christ" is Jesus' Title. No?

Are you trying to start a religious argument here? "Christ" (a Greek translation of the Hebrew "Moshiach," or messiah, literally meaning "anointed") is Jesus's "title" only according to Christians; Jews, as you surely know, don't regard him as the messiah. Now that you know what BCE means, why don't you stop trying to pick a fight about it (in a thread that's not even about religion in the first place)?

88 posted on 09/30/2005 10:13:31 AM PDT by TheGhostOfTomPaine
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To: hombre_sincero
You do not have to choose to believe it, but it is still fact that the nomenclature for marking years in the western world for 2 thousand years was Anno Dommini (A.D.) "Year of God" that began with the birth of Jesus of Nazareth - the Christ. and marking years before that was called BC Before Christ. That is HISTORICAL FACT - or are you in favor of the communist ideologies of erasing and revising of history?

That particular calendar only became widespread in Europe around the year 800.

89 posted on 09/30/2005 10:13:55 AM PDT by VadeRetro (Liberalism is a cancer on society. Creationism is a cancer on conservatism.)
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To: bigmac0707

What would happen if there is viruses in the spider's blood that hasn't been around for centuries. Maybe a virus that is a killer of humans today.


90 posted on 09/30/2005 10:14:41 AM PDT by Swiss
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To: hombre_sincero
"The Christ" is Jesus' Title. No?

Only if you accept that he was the Messiah. I, like many people out there, don't. Sorry. I have no problem with the Gregorian calendar, but I'm not going to throw away my religious beliefs either. If you don't like it, that's just too bad.

91 posted on 09/30/2005 10:14:47 AM PDT by Alter Kaker (Whatever tears one may shed, in the end one always blows one’s nose.-Heine)
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To: bigmac0707

OK that beats my 30 yr old Fiat Spider ...


92 posted on 09/30/2005 10:15:49 AM PDT by sono
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To: Prime Choice
Most likely carbon dating

Most likely not. Carbon-14 goes back only about 50,000 years.

93 posted on 09/30/2005 10:16:38 AM PDT by Coyoteman (I love the sound of beta decay in the morning!)
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To: bigmac0707

...and Tasty, too !


94 posted on 09/30/2005 10:17:15 AM PDT by PoorMuttly (A strong body makes the mind strong. As to the species of exercises, I advise the gun -T.Jefferson)
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To: bigmac0707
As I understand it, C-14 half life is about 5,700 yrs. It seems that that would make it impossible to date something over 11,400 yrs old using this method.

The upper limit is on the order of 50,000 years.

95 posted on 09/30/2005 10:18:48 AM PDT by Coyoteman (I love the sound of beta decay in the morning!)
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To: Alter Kaker

LOL. Yep ....it is an illusion. The spider is actually 6000 yrs old ....but 'appears' to be older.


96 posted on 09/30/2005 10:20:58 AM PDT by spetznaz (Nuclear-tipped Ballistic Missiles: The Ultimate Phallic Symbol)
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To: TheGhostOfTomPaine

Enough of the public debate that will never end --- fun for mental exercise though.

But one last question and I'll stop since it is never ending it seems ...

Riddle me this ... IF it is, as you say, in deference to the Judeo non-believers that it is called Common Era --- than WHY did they change Anno Domini (AD) since it only translates to "Year of God" ?

The Jews have their own historical calendar also! Same with Indians, muslims, chinese etc. DO you see the communists demanding THEY drop their references, religion and history?

Only the Christina United States of America and other WESTERN Christina based countries are being FORCED to revise their histories.

Interesting.


97 posted on 09/30/2005 10:21:35 AM PDT by hombre_sincero (www.spadata.com)
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To: orionblamblam

No they haven't.


98 posted on 09/30/2005 10:23:10 AM PDT by mlc9852
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To: Alter Kaker

Those are interpretations of fossils found. If it was so definite, we wouldn't have these threads. But you know that.


99 posted on 09/30/2005 10:24:09 AM PDT by mlc9852
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To: mlc9852
Well, we still have roaches but I haven't seen any dinosaurs in a while.

Well here in South Florida, roaches are a daily annoyance, but Dinosaurs would eat all of the tourists (In that case, the movie ends up really bad for the humans)

100 posted on 09/30/2005 10:25:40 AM PDT by Caipirabob (Democrats.. Socialists..Commies..Traitors...Who can tell the difference?)
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