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Massachusetts Should Close Down OpenDocument
FOX News ^ | September 28, 2005 | James Prendergast

Posted on 09/29/2005 8:52:01 PM PDT by Golden Eagle

The broader media usually take little interest in public policy debates about technology, but they’re missing a big story in Massachusetts.

The technology trades, blogs and industry are buzzing about a monumental policy shift in the Commonwealth of Massachusetts. Officials in the state have proposed a new policy that mandates that every state technology system use only applications designed around OpenDocument file formats.

Such a policy might seem like something that should concern only a small group of technology professionals, but in fact the implications are staggering and far-reaching. The policy promises to burden taxpayers with new costs and to disrupt how state agencies interact with citizens, businesses and organizations.

Worse, the policy represents an attack on market-based competition, which in turn will hurt innovation. The state has a disaster in the making.

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TOPICS: Business/Economy; Government; News/Current Events; US: Massachusetts
KEYWORDS: brassbuzard; microsloth; microsoft; microsoftshill; opensource; paidshill; redmondlapdog; redmondmalware; redmondpayroll; redmondshill; twobitweasel
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161 posted on 09/29/2005 11:23:22 PM PDT by flashbunny (Do you believe in the Constitution only until it keeps the government from doing what you want?)
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To: Golden Eagle
While they both have their strengths and weaknesses (and NeXT was incredible, especially five years earlier), Linux is generally far beyond where NEXTSTEP was ten years ago. For example, the Spring 1993 Third-Party Products catalog is 134 pages, with typically two products listed per page (less blank and section title pages). The average Linux distro comes with more programs than that, and generally of equal or better quality. And NeXT apps were pretty spendy.

If you have a NeXT around, try firing it up next to a Linux machine, and compare them head to head. Compare Appsoft Image to The GIMP. While you are at it, check out http://gnustep.org/.

OSX is certainly a nice system, and shows how nice NeXT was. Solaris is great for high-end servers, but I'm having trouble thinking of situations in which I'd deploy it for production purposes on anything most companies can afford. I'm afraid that it will turn into a dinosaur. Most of the action these days is on low-end servers.

162 posted on 09/29/2005 11:30:12 PM PDT by ordinaryguy
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To: NJ_gent; Petronski

Thanks to both of you. I finally figured it out on my version. File|Print and the print to file through the PDF converter. I never would have found that if you all hadn't pointed me in the right direction. Even knowing what I was doing, I couldn't find that documented.

A quick test seemed to work. I'll play with it some more tomorrow.

I take it from some of the comments that it may be more elegant in later versions?


163 posted on 09/29/2005 11:30:45 PM PDT by PAR35
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To: PAR35

Later versions have an 'Export as PDF...' option in the File menu.


164 posted on 09/29/2005 11:34:05 PM PDT by ordinaryguy
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To: PAR35
"I take it from some of the comments that it may be more elegant in later versions?"

In my experience, its lack of originality aside, the 2.x line is a vast improvement for stability, usability, and aesthetics over the 1.x line of Openoffice in virtually every way. I'm glad you found the PDF converter.
165 posted on 09/29/2005 11:34:11 PM PDT by NJ_gent (Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you; and may posterity forget that ye were our countrymen.)
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To: flashbunny
Oh wow...most excellent analogy!

Bravo, 'bunny. Bravo.

166 posted on 09/29/2005 11:37:49 PM PDT by Prime Choice (E=mc^3. Don't drink and derive.)
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To: Golden Eagle
Worse, the policy represents an attack on market-based competition, which in turn will hurt innovation. The state has a disaster in the making.

I bet the new policy will stimulate competition and innovation. It will result in rapid improvements to the OpenDocument standard, and a bunch of great new applications will emerge that will put Microsoft to shame (again). I hope companies like Apple adopt OpenDocument as a native format in their applications.

Jim Prendergast is executive director of Americans for Technology Leadership.

The so-called "Americans for Technology Leadership" is lobbyist outfit funded by Microsoft. Prendergast makes his living by spreading Microsoft FUD.

Nowhere in his article did he address the substantive issues of data format rot in long-term document storage, which may be the reason that Microsoft is banned in Boston.

167 posted on 09/29/2005 11:54:30 PM PDT by HAL9000 (Get a Mac - The Ultimate FReeping Machine)
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To: Golden Eagle
Something will have to be unquestionably better to unseat MS, like Windows was when it arrived.

Did you use Windows when it arrived? It didn't even have overlapping windows. It only had tiled windows. For instance, four windows - each using 1/4 of the screen.

168 posted on 09/29/2005 11:57:22 PM PDT by ordinaryguy
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To: HAL9000
long-term document storage

Exactly. I already have documents written in obsolete proprietary word processor formats. I don't want public records to be inaccessible 100 years from now.

169 posted on 09/30/2005 12:00:49 AM PDT by ordinaryguy
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To: MarkL
Anybody else remember the US government directive that all networking was going to have to conform to the ISO protocols? I think that DECnet Phase IV was as close to a commercial implementation that anyone ever got.

Yes, I remember GOSIP.

170 posted on 09/30/2005 1:22:21 AM PDT by snowsislander
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To: PAR35
I read you had trouble with 1.9.x and I can understand that, it's a beta. In 1.5.x you should find File | Export as PDF which works pretty elegantly. You could also get the latest version, which is 2.0 release candidate 1. That's a solid version too.

Printing to a PDF converter is not what I had in mind.

I've also never had any trouble with the installer, in any ooorg version. So go figure.

171 posted on 09/30/2005 4:57:06 AM PDT by Petronski (I thank God for Cyborg.)
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To: NJ_gent; PAR35

The ooorg installer can get complicated and even stubborn when one wants to install multiple copies/versions of the program on the same box. I HAVE seen that.


172 posted on 09/30/2005 4:59:23 AM PDT by Petronski (I thank God for Cyborg.)
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To: Golden Eagle

Anyone have a handle on the political leanings of some of these tech groups?

Adobe, Apple, Sun, Oracle, etc lean left, Microsoft pretty much apolitical but gives to some left leaning causes?


173 posted on 09/30/2005 5:06:08 AM PDT by Smartaleck
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To: ordinaryguy; HAL9000
long-term document storage

Why should this be a problem when basically any off the shelf office suite can read those formats now? You sound like parrots repeating the same illogical point over and over. The only possible issue would be the technical will to restablish connectivity into the files, but even these proposed formats would require that.

174 posted on 09/30/2005 5:30:23 AM PDT by Golden Eagle
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To: NJ_gent
Let's see, a document format that can be read by anything, written by anything, is fully supported by free software packages, and can be supported by any conceivable commercial offering. Yes, I can already see the skyrocketing costs. /braindead

Not to be rude, but you're closing tag fits you to the a T. First, when you use the word FREE how are you using it? To me it looks as if it's free from cost. But I'm sure after I prove it's not free in that sense you'll switch to FREE as in FREEDOM.

It's been proven the so called FREE software actually costs more to install, operate, and maintain. Now this isn't a blanket statement, but more time than not it has been proven right.

So just to get this straight, you'd rather spend money on getting an inferior product in place because it has an open standard interface? Note the policy doesn't say it has to have certain features, so if the only one that can meet the requirement is something that gives you the features of notepad, you'd be fine with that?

To me you go withe the most cost effective solution. Period. You can determine the cost it takes to convert documents to open standards format, so it's an apples to apples comparison. Once again Taxachussettes and the liberals are leading the way for the Anything But Microsoft crowd.

Now for the ironic part of this. The next version of office is going to be an ODF. I bet most on this thread supporting ODF, won't be supporting MS though.

175 posted on 09/30/2005 5:55:02 AM PDT by for-q-clinton (If at first you don't succeed keep on sucking until you do succeed)
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To: ordinaryguy
PDF is an open format. Anyone who cares to implement the format within their application is able to do so, because Adobe has provided detailed specifications describing the format.

LOL! It's still proprietary. Adobe can change the standard at any time without any notice. That's what M$ gets beat up on all the time. They want a standards body to own it.

176 posted on 09/30/2005 5:56:29 AM PDT by for-q-clinton (If at first you don't succeed keep on sucking until you do succeed)
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To: Prime Choice
There's a shock. God forbid that actual competition should edge out Microsoft's tyrannical hold on the market.

Nevermind that it's Microsoft's own stupid fault for not embracing the OpenDocument Format.

First, how is a gov't mandate helping competition. If ODF was so great it would win on it's own in the market place. Microsoft only has a monopoly on the OS not the office desktop suite. But the good news that I'm sure you'll love is that the next version of Office does use an ODF. So let's give 3 cheers to the next version of office that I'm sure you're just dying to buy so you can have a microsoft ODF. Hooray, Hooray, Hooray!

177 posted on 09/30/2005 6:00:02 AM PDT by for-q-clinton (If at first you don't succeed keep on sucking until you do succeed)
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To: flashbunny
Do you know anything about DARPA and the creation of the open TCP/IP standard?

I was corrected on this statement in an earlier post. TCP/IP is actually a suite of open protocols. It's not a standard per se.

178 posted on 09/30/2005 6:02:31 AM PDT by for-q-clinton (If at first you don't succeed keep on sucking until you do succeed)
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To: JoJo Gunn
You and Bush2000 are gonna simply have to learn that if you post to incite you will get batted around.

You and Bush2000 are gonna simply have to learn that if you post evidence that socialist and communist govt's are part of the ABM crowd you will get batted around because you are hitting people who like to think of themselves as conservative.

There I fixed it for you.

179 posted on 09/30/2005 6:06:13 AM PDT by for-q-clinton (If at first you don't succeed keep on sucking until you do succeed)
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To: LiteKeeper

bump for later


180 posted on 09/30/2005 6:16:37 AM PDT by Tribune7
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