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To: Billthedrill
"Most Americans admire Europe's cultivated lifestyle, public transportation and sophisticated take on world affairs. But they are puzzled as to why Europeans — well before the election of Bush — seemed to have defined themselves as the anti-United States."

VDH is being nice here - and inaccurate. At this point in history most Americans who know anything about it are wondering just how badly the Europeans will screw up the incredible historical opportunity they were handed, and why. I agree with him, though, in that it's time for a little disengagement.

From an historical point of view the Europeans have been a war culture for at least 2,000 years. If you want to count Alexander the Macedon and the early Roman era, the Europeans have been fighting 'civilized' wars for about 2,250 years. What exists as a present day European citizen, is the end result of warring cultures mixing on the continent for over 2,000 years. Europeans have achieved numerous advances in the science and the arts, but at the end of The European 2,000 Year Reich, one must begin to question, at just what price ?

15 posted on 09/28/2005 11:02:38 PM PDT by justa-hairyape
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To: justa-hairyape

From an historical point of view the Europeans have been a war culture for at least 2,000 years. If you want to count Alexander the Macedon and the early Roman era, the Europeans have been fighting 'civilized' wars for about 2,250 years. What exists as a present day European citizen, is the end result of warring cultures mixing on the continent for over 2,000 years. Europeans have achieved numerous advances in the science and the arts, but at the end of The European 2,000 Year Reich, one must begin to question, at just what price ?
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Most of the world has been in a state of barbarity for 2,000 years plus. The US has an interesting past also (Native Americans, Slavery, Civil Rights etc etc).

But the past means very little compared to modern day US or Europe. Both places have "civilised".


16 posted on 09/28/2005 11:06:51 PM PDT by kingsurfer
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To: justa-hairyape

From an historical point of view the Europeans have been a war culture for at least 2,000 years.

Ralph Peters in "Beyond Baghdad" has an interesting piece called "Hidden Unities", inwhich he makes the same point. Worth a look at.


28 posted on 09/29/2005 7:39:10 AM PDT by Valin (The right to do something does not mean that doing it is right.)
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