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Women’s minister wants men purged from national anthem (Austria)
Times of London ^ | September 28, 2005 | Roger Boyes

Posted on 09/28/2005 4:27:09 AM PDT by RWR8189

IN A move that spells trouble for half of Europe’s national anthems, Austria’s Minister for Women’s Affairs has demanded wholesale changes to her country’s paean to purge it of sexist references. Mentions of the “fatherland”, “great sons” and “brotherly choruses” should be replaced by gender-neutral terms such as “homeland” and “joyful chorus”, said Maria Rauch-Kallat, whose quest stands a fair chance of success.

No matter that Austria apparently has the only national anthem in Europe written by a woman. “Our national anthem is discriminatory,” Frau Rauch-Kallat, of the centre-right People’s Party, said.

“The federal hymn should be part of every Austrian’s identity . . . Women’s politics are also the politics of language and of shaping consciousness.” If she gets her way national anthems across Europe could be in for a shake-up, because all too often they celebrate male heroism hand in hand with national identity.

The Italian anthem opens: “Brothers of Italy . . .”. The French Marseillaise, the most blood-soaked of national anthems, begins: “Children of the fatherland . . .” and complains about soldiers who “come to slaughter our children, our wives”.

Germany’s Deutschland über Alles is unthinkable without the fatherland, and in its second verse makes women seem like a quaint tourist attraction: “German women, German loyalty, German wine and German song/ Shall retain in the world/ Their lovely old ring.”

Perhaps the least sexist of all national anthems is Britain’s God Save the Queen. Since 1745 it has swapped King for Queen, depending on the monarch of the day.

The Austrian national anthem, sung to the tune of a 1791 Mozart cantata, was written by the late Paula von Preradovic in 1947, two years after the modern Austrian state was formed. It won a hotly contested competition in which 1,800 possible anthems were submitted to the Government.

Frau Rauch-Kallat’s call for it to be rewritten has sparked controversy.

Uwe Scheuch, the general secretary of the centrist Alliance for the Future of Austria, called it senseless, and suggested that the minister concentrate on more practical ways of improving the lives of women and girls.

But Liese Prokop, the Interior Minister and a former Olympic pentathlon silver medallist, said that it was only natural to change an anthem to reflect changes in society.

Fritz Molden, Frau von Preradovic’s son, told the Kurier newspaper that he had no problem with the proposed changes. The opposition Social Democrats and Greens have also expressed support for the changes, making it likely that they will win the approval of the national assembly in the coming months.

Frau Rauch-Kallat’s move is timely. In neighbouring Germany Angela Merkel remains just about on course to become the country’s first woman Chancellor, prompting Austrians to ask whether enough women are involved in their country’s politics.

Empress Marie Therese was one of the most influential of Habsburg rulers and is considered, in Austrian textbooks at least, to be a great role model.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Extended News; Foreign Affairs; Germany; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: austria; eu; europe; nationalanthm; pc; pcness; politicalcorrectness; rauchkallat
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1 posted on 09/28/2005 4:27:10 AM PDT by RWR8189
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To: RWR8189
Political Correctness... Canada also has sexist words in its national anthem. Perhaps the Liberals there will bring back Robert Stanley Weir's original version to placate the feminazis.

(Denny Crane: "Sometimes you can only look for answers from God and failing that... and Fox News".)
2 posted on 09/28/2005 4:29:22 AM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives On In My Heart Forever)
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To: RWR8189

I was going to make an obscenely sexist pun out of "Deutschland, Deutschland ueber alles" but didn't want to get banned.

(And yes, that IS the Austrian national anthem, just a slightly different version from that used by Germany.)


3 posted on 09/28/2005 4:29:33 AM PDT by Appalled but Not Surprised
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To: RWR8189

Oh, good grief.

As a woman, I resent the implication that I'm too stupid to understand that "mankind" or "brotherhood" means all people.

Someone give this "person" something useful to do - she's got too much time if she can be worrying about inconsequential stuff.

Now I'm off to work with my "fellow men."


4 posted on 09/28/2005 4:31:29 AM PDT by mrs. a (It's a short life but a merry one...)
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To: RWR8189

Oh, give me a freaking break!


5 posted on 09/28/2005 4:31:34 AM PDT by Old Grumpy
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To: RWR8189

How exactly does one say "Non-gender-specific-human-type-life-form" in Austrian?


6 posted on 09/28/2005 4:32:40 AM PDT by Semper Vigilantis (Peace comes from having superior firepower, the will to use it, and a very short fuse.)
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To: Semper Vigilantis
 "Non-gender-specific-human-type-life-form"

No no.  I believe the word is humyn.

7 posted on 09/28/2005 4:40:09 AM PDT by RWR8189 ( Extremism in defense of liberty is no vice. Moderation in the pursuit of justice is no virtue.)
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To: RWR8189
You decide if its sexist:

Land of mountains, land on the river,
Land of fields, land of cathedrals,
Land of hammers, rich in outlook.
You are the native home of great sons,
A people uniquely gifted for the beautiful,
Much applauded Austria.

Fiercely embattled, ferociously contested,
You lie at the center of the globe,
Like a strong heart.
Since the days of your early ancestors

You have borne the burden of a sublime calling,
Much-tried Austria.

Courageously we stride
Into the new times, free and devout,
Industrious and of firm heart.
In unison choruses of brotherhood
We pledge our allegiance to thee,
Fatherland,
Much-loved Austria.

I can see where women might feel left out... but then no one ever sings all the verses of an anthem anyway.

(Denny Crane: "Sometimes you can only look for answers from God and failing that... and Fox News".)
8 posted on 09/28/2005 4:41:16 AM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives On In My Heart Forever)
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To: mrs. a
As a woman, I resent the implication that I'm too stupid to understand that "mankind" or "brotherhood" means all people.

Amen and thank you for posting what I was thinking also.

9 posted on 09/28/2005 4:42:15 AM PDT by zlala ("History does not long entrust the care of freedom to the weak or timid." -Dwight D. Eisenhower)
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To: RWR8189
...and crown thy good with brotherhood,
from sea to shining sea.

Sigh. Thy days are numbered.

10 posted on 09/28/2005 4:43:25 AM PDT by cloud8
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To: Semper Vigilantis
The usual understanding of masculine pronouns and references in most languages include women as well as men. No one's ever complained its left women feeling like second-class citizens.

(Denny Crane: "Sometimes you can only look for answers from God and failing that... and Fox News".)
11 posted on 09/28/2005 4:43:25 AM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives On In My Heart Forever)
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You are the native home of great sons

Are the women implying this needs to be taken out because there are no great sons left? (Of course w/women like these, it's totally possible).

12 posted on 09/28/2005 4:44:27 AM PDT by zlala ("History does not long entrust the care of freedom to the weak or timid." -Dwight D. Eisenhower)
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To: cloud8
Replace it with hirhood. There that should make it PC even if it does violence to the meter.

(Denny Crane: "Sometimes you can only look for answers from God and failing that... and Fox News".)
13 posted on 09/28/2005 4:44:51 AM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives On In My Heart Forever)
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To: zlala
No because it should also include great daughters. Hence the push for a non-sexist approach to linguistics.

(Denny Crane: "Sometimes you can only look for answers from God and failing that... and Fox News".)
14 posted on 09/28/2005 4:46:10 AM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives On In My Heart Forever)
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To: Semper Vigilantis

Nichtgeslechtspezifischmenschlichlebensform.


15 posted on 09/28/2005 4:49:22 AM PDT by AntiGuv (™)
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To: goldstategop

"Land of hammers"??? WTF?


16 posted on 09/28/2005 5:24:23 AM PDT by WildHorseCrash
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To: goldstategop

Someday, the ACLU of Austria and athiests will DEMAND that "cathedrals" be expunged from the anthem since it .... oh never, mind, you get the point.


17 posted on 09/28/2005 5:35:20 AM PDT by starfish923 (It's never right to do wrong. Socrates)
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To: AntiGuv
LOL Thanks. Any chance I can get a pronunciation key with that?
18 posted on 09/28/2005 5:43:26 AM PDT by Semper Vigilantis (Peace comes from having superior firepower, the will to use it, and a very short fuse.)
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To: Semper Vigilantis

It's pronounced very slowly. ;^)


19 posted on 09/28/2005 5:50:47 AM PDT by AntiGuv (™)
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To: zlala
Are the women implying this needs to be taken out because there are no great sons left? (Of course w/women like these, it's totally possible).

Or are they forgetting who BEARS those great sons? (Again, considering what women these are, it's totally possible.)

20 posted on 09/28/2005 7:38:43 AM PDT by thulldud (It's bad luck to be superstitious.)
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