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Lynndie England sentenced to 3 years in prison
tvnz.com.nz/ reuters ^ | Sept 27, 2005 | reuters

Posted on 09/27/2005 6:27:09 PM PDT by prairiebreeze

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To: i_dont_chat

Yep, you are right it was in there. He got 10 years. And you got to flame me, feel better now?


61 posted on 09/27/2005 7:35:09 PM PDT by lexington minuteman 1775
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To: hombre_sincero

IN BEFORE THE ZOT!


62 posted on 09/27/2005 7:35:28 PM PDT by operation clinton cleanup
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To: cynicom
The weight of the United States Army against a PFC. Disgusting.

I kind of expect that response from the Left. What gives?

63 posted on 09/27/2005 7:35:34 PM PDT by Critical Bill ("Iraq is fighting for all the Arabs. Where are the Arab armies?" ... George Galloway MP)
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To: Grizzled Bear

The Dishonorable Discharhe, I understand.

Three years? Thats to satisfy the liberals she offended.

She should appeal her sentence as politically motivated.
The jail time has made her the whipping post of the liberal media.

What she did was militarily wrong. The 3 years was for
infringing the laws of political correctness.


64 posted on 09/27/2005 7:35:40 PM PDT by Candor7 (Into Liberal Flatulence Goes the Hope of the West)
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To: MizSterious

I can see her getting three years, and Cindy Sheehan getting thirty.


65 posted on 09/27/2005 7:36:14 PM PDT by af_vet_1981
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To: hombre_sincero

just hedging my bets....


66 posted on 09/27/2005 7:39:22 PM PDT by operation clinton cleanup
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To: prairiebreeze

I'm of two minds about this case, so I will not comment.


67 posted on 09/27/2005 7:42:10 PM PDT by Peach (South Carolina is praying for our Gulf coast citizens.)
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To: hombre_sincero
Sorry... it was your Cuban flag that startled me. But I would be interested in some links that shows any superior officer ordering these actions.
68 posted on 09/27/2005 7:49:19 PM PDT by operation clinton cleanup
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To: Peach
You kinda feel the higher-ups got away with it dont you?

I agree that there was a chain of command for it to have gone on without discovery.

I think it was a case of give'em enough rope ( Grainer & England ) and they will take it to extreme and hang themselves. The idea would have been put to the perps in the photos from higher up but only the seed idea so as not to leave a paper trasil and knowing the devious nature of Graner & co they knew the rest would be history.

Nothing new here, Humint and Psyops have been into this for years.

69 posted on 09/27/2005 7:52:19 PM PDT by Critical Bill ("Iraq is fighting for all the Arabs. Where are the Arab armies?" ... George Galloway MP)
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To: lexington minuteman 1775

"And you got to flame me, feel better now?"

Yes siree! Thank you for the opportunity. You made it so easy.


70 posted on 09/27/2005 7:55:12 PM PDT by i_dont_chat (Houston, TX)
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To: Candor7

I am a member of the military. There is no way she did not know what she did was wrong.

Right is right and wrong is wrong. You what is right, even if nobody is watching and the enemy is blatantly disregarding every rule of decent behavior.

I am usually getting grief from being very anti Politically Correct (trickle down problems from Clinton's Legacy).

There was one member of that guard unit (I don't recall his name) who turned them in and is getting grief from the unit's home area. I respect that young man. He did the right thing.


71 posted on 09/27/2005 8:00:24 PM PDT by Grizzled Bear
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To: Candor7

I had a conversation yesterday with an Army Major just back from Iraq. His comment was, "I am ashamed of the Army, more ashamed of my fellow officers that went along with this travesty.


72 posted on 09/27/2005 8:06:30 PM PDT by cynicom
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To: Peach

Yes, there are many sides to consider. She was stupid, but young and immature. Graner used and manipulated her. The unit wasn't well disciplined. The sitaution at the prison must've been horrendous.

And she participated and posed, knowing (I believe deep down) that it was wrong. sigh...

I just wish we could apply the same punishments to our media. They're the ones who latched on and wouldn't let go of this story, blowing it out of any semblance of proportion.

And Ted Kennedy bringing up the incident months and months after the fact....well he has his own crime to answer for, doesn't he.


73 posted on 09/27/2005 8:10:55 PM PDT by prairiebreeze (Take the high road. You'll never have to meet a Democrat.)
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To: MizSterious

It was her "relatives" who shopped the photos to the MSM.
She should have gotten 10 Years for that.


74 posted on 09/27/2005 8:13:39 PM PDT by axes_of_weezles (mainstream extremist (Ha))
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To: eddiemunster

"She should have received a medal. Take the visegrips to these filthy POS-it's fine with me."

You got that right - didn't anyone else notice the demoralizing affect this had on the terrorists? Attacks were way down affter this p they realized instead of 70 virgins, they were going to get a butch WAC laghing at their bare assed butts.


75 posted on 09/27/2005 8:20:13 PM PDT by spanalot
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To: prairiebreeze

I'm sure the 42nd president has had dreams about this woman.


76 posted on 09/27/2005 8:20:22 PM PDT by Brofholdonow
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To: Dog Gone

Glad the grill worked.


77 posted on 09/27/2005 8:28:40 PM PDT by steveegg ($3.00 a gallon is the price you pay for ANWR! Start drilling or stop whining! - HT Falcon4.0)
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To: F15Eagle
Unfortunately, it was more than panties on the head.

That it was; it included some real abuse. But if anyone wants to see what real torture is, just find a site with "Saddam's Favorite Torture Videos" (that's what I call them) which show cutting off of tongues, hands, and feet; kidneys and soles of feet being beaten with steel bars; captives with hands tied being dropped on their heads from 3-story buildings; others being blown up;buried alive,boiled in oil, run through shredders, etc. I do not mention these to excuse Abu Graib abuse but to lend perspective.

78 posted on 09/27/2005 8:33:02 PM PDT by luvbach1 (Near the belly of the beast in San Diego)
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To: hombre_sincero
Unfortunately though, officers are usually treated more leniently - like white collar criminals - "the embarrassment is punishment enough" is the usual excuse for light sentences.

Sad, but true. Rooted in the feudal roots of the officer/enlisted thing. No one has ever succeeded in making an army without that division, although the best armies have a lot of inter-caste mobility and relatively weak class consciousness.

I agree with you that those who bear a leadership burden should be smoked for letting that burden drop, but that is not a popular concept in the Army. Look at the wrist-slap punishment for, for instance, SMA McKinney. If he was an E-7 in the 18th COSCOM he'd have been considerably worse used by the court.

I also wonder a little about the proportions here. Graner gets 10 years, England 3, but deserter Kevin Benderman gets 15 months, and Navy deserter Pablo Paredes gets three months and no DD. WTF, over? The military needs to punish deserters at least as seriously as MPs guilty of brutality.

d.o.l.

Criminal Number 18F

80 posted on 09/27/2005 8:56:30 PM PDT by Criminal Number 18F
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