Posted on 09/27/2005 6:27:09 PM PDT by prairiebreeze
Yep, you are right it was in there. He got 10 years. And you got to flame me, feel better now?
IN BEFORE THE ZOT!
I kind of expect that response from the Left. What gives?
The Dishonorable Discharhe, I understand.
Three years? Thats to satisfy the liberals she offended.
She should appeal her sentence as politically motivated.
The jail time has made her the whipping post of the liberal media.
What she did was militarily wrong. The 3 years was for
infringing the laws of political correctness.
I can see her getting three years, and Cindy Sheehan getting thirty.
just hedging my bets....
I'm of two minds about this case, so I will not comment.
I agree that there was a chain of command for it to have gone on without discovery.
I think it was a case of give'em enough rope ( Grainer & England ) and they will take it to extreme and hang themselves. The idea would have been put to the perps in the photos from higher up but only the seed idea so as not to leave a paper trasil and knowing the devious nature of Graner & co they knew the rest would be history.
Nothing new here, Humint and Psyops have been into this for years.
"And you got to flame me, feel better now?"
Yes siree! Thank you for the opportunity. You made it so easy.
I am a member of the military. There is no way she did not know what she did was wrong.
Right is right and wrong is wrong. You what is right, even if nobody is watching and the enemy is blatantly disregarding every rule of decent behavior.
I am usually getting grief from being very anti Politically Correct (trickle down problems from Clinton's Legacy).
There was one member of that guard unit (I don't recall his name) who turned them in and is getting grief from the unit's home area. I respect that young man. He did the right thing.
I had a conversation yesterday with an Army Major just back from Iraq. His comment was, "I am ashamed of the Army, more ashamed of my fellow officers that went along with this travesty.
Yes, there are many sides to consider. She was stupid, but young and immature. Graner used and manipulated her. The unit wasn't well disciplined. The sitaution at the prison must've been horrendous.
And she participated and posed, knowing (I believe deep down) that it was wrong. sigh...
I just wish we could apply the same punishments to our media. They're the ones who latched on and wouldn't let go of this story, blowing it out of any semblance of proportion.
And Ted Kennedy bringing up the incident months and months after the fact....well he has his own crime to answer for, doesn't he.
It was her "relatives" who shopped the photos to the MSM.
She should have gotten 10 Years for that.
"She should have received a medal. Take the visegrips to these filthy POS-it's fine with me."
You got that right - didn't anyone else notice the demoralizing affect this had on the terrorists? Attacks were way down affter this p they realized instead of 70 virgins, they were going to get a butch WAC laghing at their bare assed butts.
I'm sure the 42nd president has had dreams about this woman.
Glad the grill worked.
That it was; it included some real abuse. But if anyone wants to see what real torture is, just find a site with "Saddam's Favorite Torture Videos" (that's what I call them) which show cutting off of tongues, hands, and feet; kidneys and soles of feet being beaten with steel bars; captives with hands tied being dropped on their heads from 3-story buildings; others being blown up;buried alive,boiled in oil, run through shredders, etc. I do not mention these to excuse Abu Graib abuse but to lend perspective.
Sad, but true. Rooted in the feudal roots of the officer/enlisted thing. No one has ever succeeded in making an army without that division, although the best armies have a lot of inter-caste mobility and relatively weak class consciousness.
I agree with you that those who bear a leadership burden should be smoked for letting that burden drop, but that is not a popular concept in the Army. Look at the wrist-slap punishment for, for instance, SMA McKinney. If he was an E-7 in the 18th COSCOM he'd have been considerably worse used by the court.
I also wonder a little about the proportions here. Graner gets 10 years, England 3, but deserter Kevin Benderman gets 15 months, and Navy deserter Pablo Paredes gets three months and no DD. WTF, over? The military needs to punish deserters at least as seriously as MPs guilty of brutality.
d.o.l.
Criminal Number 18F
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