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Biology expert testifies. Professor: Intelligent design is creationism.
York Dispatch ^ | 9/27/05 | Christina Kauffman

Posted on 09/27/2005 9:10:31 AM PDT by Crackingham

Dover Area School District's federal trial began yesterday in Harrisburg with talk ranging from divine intervention and the Boston Red Sox to aliens and bacterial flagellum. After about 10 months of waiting, the court case against the district and its board opened in Middle District Judge John E. Jones III's courtroom with statements from lawyers and several hours of expert testimony from biologist and Brown University professor Kenneth Miller.

On one side of the aisle, several plaintiffs packed themselves in wooden benches behind a row of attorneys from the American Civil Liberties Union, Pepper Hamilton LLC and Americans United for Separation of Church and State. On the other side of the aisle, nine school board members, only three of whom were on the board when it voted 6-3 to include a statement on intelligent design in biology classes, piled in behind lawyers from the Thomas More Law Center. Assistant superintendent Michael Baksa and superintendent Richard Nilsen shared a bench with Michael Behe, a Lehigh University professor expected to take the stand in defense of intelligent design.

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Miller, whose resume is several pages long and includes a stint as a professor at Harvard University, was the first witness called for the parents. Miller co-wrote the Prentice Hall textbook "Biology" with professor Joe Levine. The book is used by 35 percent of the high school students in the United States, Miller said. His were some of the thousands of biology books in which school officials in Cobb County, Ga., ordered stickers to be placed, warning that evolution is only a theory, "not a fact." Miller also testified in a lawsuit filed by Cobb County parents, and a judge later ordered that the stickers be removed.

Yesterday, the scientist's testimony was at times dominated by scientific terminology, though he jokingly told ACLU attorney Witold Walczak he would do his best to explain things in the layman's terms he uses with his mother.

Miller said intelligent design supporters think an intelligent designer must have been involved in the creation of life because science can't yet prove how everything evolved. He said the intelligent design idea that birds were created with beaks, feathers and wings and fish were born with fins is a creationist argument.

Intelligent design supporters often cite "irreducible complexity" in their research, he said. "Irreducible complexity" means that a living thing can't be reduced by any part or it won't work at all. So those living things could not have evolved in the way Darwin suggested; they had to be created with all of their existing parts, Miller said.

Intelligent design proponents often cite the bacterial flagellum, a bacterium with a tail that propels it, Miller said. Behe and his colleagues claim bacterial flagellum had to be created with all of its parts because it couldn't function if any of them were taken away, Miller testified. But scientists have proved that the bacterial flagellum can be reduced to a smaller being, a little organism that operates in a manner similar to a syringe, Miller said.

One of the biggest problems with the scientific viability of intelligent design is there is no way to experiment with the presence of a supernatural being because science only deals with the natural world and theories that are testable, Miller said.

Some people might suspect divine intervention last year when the Boston Red Sox came back to win the World Series after losing three games in a row to the New York Yankees in the playoffs. It may have been, but that's not science, he said. And intelligent design proponents haven't named the "intelligent being" behind their supposition, Miller said. They have suggested, among other things, that it could be aliens, he said. He said there is no evidence to prove intelligent design, so its proponents just try to poke holes in the theory of evolution.


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; Extended News; Government; News/Current Events; Philosophy; US: Pennsylvania
KEYWORDS: anothercrevothread; crevorepublic; enoughalready; lawsuit; makeitstop; scienceeducation; yourmomisanape
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To: VadeRetro
The hyphens disappear from his posts. I just looked and, no, they don't.

It's when he talks to himself and then answers!

421 posted on 09/27/2005 6:31:56 PM PDT by balrog666 (A myth by any other name is still inane.)
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To: Coyoteman
In some tribes you would be bear bait, or scalp practice Coyoteman LOL!! HAA HA HA HA ;)

Wolf
422 posted on 09/27/2005 6:33:51 PM PDT by RunningWolf (U.S. Army Veteran.....75-78)
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To: RunningWolf
In some tribes you would be bear bait, or scalp practice Coyoteman LOL!! HAA HA HA HA ;)

Wolf

You're right. There are many paths.

Most people don't realize how many tribes there were, and how different one was from the next.

But you know, most were able to get along.

423 posted on 09/27/2005 6:37:58 PM PDT by Coyoteman (New tagline coming soon)
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To: RunningWolf
Just so you know, when you end a post with "LOL!! HAA HA HA HA ;)" It makes everybody think you either

A) Drank about 3 pots of coffee
or
B) You are typing this from a padded cell in an anonymous metal institution.


I hope for your sake you are a caffeine fiend. :)
424 posted on 09/27/2005 6:41:31 PM PDT by CarolinaGuitarman ("There is a grandeur in this view of life...")
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To: CarolinaGuitarman
"metal"

That would be mental, not metal. I really hate spell-check.
425 posted on 09/27/2005 6:43:04 PM PDT by CarolinaGuitarman ("There is a grandeur in this view of life...")
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To: CarolinaGuitarman
You guys will think what you think, I mean lets just look at what you put up here!! So.. you are

A) WRONG


B) WRONG


C) MORE WRONG


LOL!! HAA HA HA HA ;)

Wolf
426 posted on 09/27/2005 6:47:58 PM PDT by RunningWolf (U.S. Army Veteran.....75-78)
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To: CarolinaGuitarman
Yeah you need to work on that it really ruins the flavor & the impact of the thing.. CarolinaGuitarman, what are we going to do with you?

Sigh...

Wolf
427 posted on 09/27/2005 6:50:42 PM PDT by RunningWolf (U.S. Army Veteran.....75-78)
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To: RunningWolf
Well lets hear your Cogent analysis of the martian creation story.

It has a known author, the same guy who wrote the Tarzan novels. He got money for writing this stuff. That suggests it should be better than the average creation story. It's a professional job.

Still, I think Burroughs missed a bit. I was having trouble visualizing the tree. It was probably because he was speaking in the stilted voice of a particular character.

So, it isn't that much better. In fact, it's pretty much indistinguishable in clarity and scientific merit from all the various "real" creation stories.

428 posted on 09/27/2005 6:53:01 PM PDT by VadeRetro (Liberalism is a cancer on society. Creationism is a cancer on conservatism.)
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To: VadeRetro
He's lonely over there. Go talk to him. He likes you.

And the loons we have nowadays just don't have the same magnificent insanity. I miss ol' f dot.

429 posted on 09/27/2005 6:55:26 PM PDT by Right Wing Professor
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To: Gumlegs
Silently, I started calculating the effect a pane of glass would have on the trajectory of a rock thrown from a driveway.

An English rock or an African rock?

430 posted on 09/27/2005 6:55:35 PM PDT by Doctor Stochastic (Vegetabilisch = chaotisch ist der Charakter der Modernen. - Friedrich Schlegel)
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To: RunningWolf
"You guys will think what you think, I mean lets just look at what you put up here!! So.. you are

A) WRONG


B) WRONG


C) MORE WRONG


LOL!! HAA HA HA HA ;)

Wolf"

Now you're stroking out on us. You need medical attention. This is getting really sad.

"Yeah you need to work on that it really ruins the flavor & the impact of the thing.. CarolinaGuitarman, what are we going to do with you?

Sigh...

Wolf"

I make a typing error and you go ape-s&*t. Have you taken your meds tonight? I am not being facetious.
431 posted on 09/27/2005 6:56:07 PM PDT by CarolinaGuitarman ("There is a grandeur in this view of life...")
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To: Right Wing Professor
And the loons we have nowadays just don't have the same magnificent insanity. I miss ol' f dot.

Junior's "in memoriam" posts today got me missing JediGirl. She was on LP for a bit but is gone off the end of the Earth.

432 posted on 09/27/2005 6:58:01 PM PDT by VadeRetro (Liberalism is a cancer on society. Creationism is a cancer on conservatism.)
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To: Doctor Stochastic
An English rock or an African rock?

That's a problem in velocity, not trajectory.

433 posted on 09/27/2005 6:58:59 PM PDT by Gumlegs
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To: CarolinaGuitarman; RunningWolf
LOL!! HAA HA HA HA ;)

Little of that goes a long way, huh? Literary style of Jack the Ripper.

434 posted on 09/27/2005 6:59:35 PM PDT by VadeRetro (Liberalism is a cancer on society. Creationism is a cancer on conservatism.)
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To: VadeRetro

Yes! JediGirl. I rather liked her. Sorry to hear she can't be reached.


435 posted on 09/27/2005 7:00:19 PM PDT by Gumlegs
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To: CarolinaGuitarman; RunningWolf
Wolf has just confused the Wolf and the Coyote.

Coyote is the Trickster. I think Wolf is actually more of the Coyote type.

He's just having fun.

436 posted on 09/27/2005 7:00:55 PM PDT by Coyoteman (New tagline coming soon)
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To: VadeRetro
She was on LP for a bit but is gone off the end of the Earth.

Moved to London or thereabouts last I heard.

437 posted on 09/27/2005 7:02:15 PM PDT by general_re ("Frantic orthodoxy is never rooted in faith, but in doubt." - Reinhold Niebuhr)
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To: Gumlegs; PatrickHenry
Yes! JediGirl. I rather liked her. Sorry to hear she can't be reached.

I sent my real email address to PatrickHenry for safekeeping (not for general broadcast) in case of any inadvertent bannings. Others may consider doing the same.

438 posted on 09/27/2005 7:04:22 PM PDT by Coyoteman (New tagline coming soon)
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To: Coyoteman
Barsoom Covers

The first cover is a picture of Carter and Dejah Thoris. The second is the Gods of Mars:

The third cover is another Dejah view.

439 posted on 09/27/2005 7:07:49 PM PDT by Doctor Stochastic (Vegetabilisch = chaotisch ist der Charakter der Modernen. - Friedrich Schlegel)
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To: Coyoteman

But they did labor in Wien.


440 posted on 09/27/2005 7:09:55 PM PDT by Doctor Stochastic (Vegetabilisch = chaotisch ist der Charakter der Modernen. - Friedrich Schlegel)
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