Biology expert testifies. Professor: Intelligent design is creationism.

York Dispatch ^ | 9/27/05 | Christina Kauffman

[MineralMan]

"If Intelligent Design IS Creationism, it'd be called Creationism."

Well, it IS, but it's NOT. Intelligent Design is trying to make an end run around the limitations on religious instruction in schools. It's still Creationism, but that trick never works, so they gave it a new name.

Indeed, the book in question in this case started out using the term Creationism in its pages. When that trick didn't work again, as it always fails to work, they edited the book, substituting Intelligent Design for Creationism.

This is why this case is sure to go the Plaintiff's way. It's a poor subterfuge and won't succeed.

[shuckmaster]

Dover update ping.

[weegee]

I thought creationism was the belief that man and dinosaurs lived together and that the world is only a few thousand years old.

Now it is wrong for people to believe that God had any hand in the existence of the world? Or at least to consider the posibility in an educational setting? How about in "philosophy"?

Sets up the potential situation that atheism (absolute belief that there is no god) can be the defacto state religion. Agnostics are the ones who say "don't know".

Or is the position that it is okay to say that "god may exist but He didn't have any role in everything else"?

[Junior]

Crevo threads for the past week:

2005-09-27 Biology expert testifies. Professor: Intelligent design is creationism.
2005-09-27 Trial Over 'Intelligent Design' Resumes
2005-09-26 Creationism, Christianity, and Common Sense
2005-09-26 Creationism, Intelligent Design, and Evolution
2005-09-26 Dispute over evolution goes on trial in U.S. court
2005-09-26 Does Genesis hold up under critic’s scrutiny? (Creation/Evolution)
2005-09-26 New Analyses Bolster Central Tenets of Evolution Theory
2005-09-26 The Problem With Evolution
2005-09-26 With world watching, trial starts
2005-09-25 In Evolution Debate, Creationists Are Breaking New Ground
2005-09-24 The trouble with Darwin (Bush's I.D. comments changed Australia's Educational Landscape)
2005-09-23 Ultimate thread on Dover, Pennsylvania's Evolution v. Intelligent Design trial
2005-09-22 Court Case Threatens to 'Drag Science into the Supernatural'
2005-09-22 Evan Jamieson, hydrometallurgy (Creation/Evolution)
2005-09-22 Insight into our sight: A new view on the evolution of the eye lens (Desperate conjuncture)
2005-09-22 Intelligent Design: An Ambiguous Assault on Evolution
2005-09-22 Intelligent designers down on Dover
2005-09-22 Intelligible Design
2005-09-21 Intelligent design? Not on this campus [Pennsylvania]
2005-09-21 Researchers create functioning artificial proteins using nature's rules

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[sr4402]

Creationism is the belief that God created the world and all that is in it. It says that he did it in 6 literal days and on the seventh day, he deigned a rest day for man. Creationism says that death did not enter the world until Adam and Eve plunged the world into error (sin) and that this explains why all die to this day.

The evolutionist believes that death is natural and a mechanism for species change and believes therefore that death will always the norm.

For the Creationist, the God who warned Adam and Eve not to commit this act, afterwords provided a way of salvation (the bruising of the serpents head - done on the cross by the Lord Jesus Christ) and life eternal, just as God had planned.

The Evolutionist believes that there is no life after death and therefore can rape and pillage as his inclination desires. The believer, on the other hand, through the scripture, knows the result of this and is compelled to live virtuously since death will be done away with.

Which do you choose?

[VadeRetro]

Yes. You can write a whole creationist book using the term "creationism," then with your little word processor search and replace "creationism" with "Intelligent Design," and the book will be equally readable and marketable as before. OK, the book will be baloney, but no more so than before. The terms are that equivalent.

[ravingnutter]

One of the biggest problems with the scientific viability of intelligent design is there is no way to experiment with the presence of a supernatural being because science only deals with the natural world and theories that are testable, Miller said.

IOW...the denial is merely job security.

[tamalejoe]

This is a Ferrari engine. ID is the theory which says that when you see something like that, you figure it was designed and engineered. Evolution is the theory which says that things like that just sort of happen.

[Right Wing Professor]

The Evolutionist believes that there is no life after death and therefore can rape and pillage as his inclination desires.

That's just a vile slur. Does your religion teach that you can lie as your inclination desires?

[MineralMan]

When Ferrari engines reproduce naturally, with no human intervention, then your example will make some sense. Since they do not, it doesn't.

[MineralMan]

"The Evolutionist believes that there is no life after death and therefore can rape and pillage as his inclination desires. "

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Goodness! Which evolutionist did you have in mind when you wrote that. You are aware, are you not, that many Christians also believe that evolution is the method by which new species are created?

Your entire statement is incorrect on its face. I can understand why you won't be testifying in this case.

[MineralMan]

"I thought creationism was the belief that man and dinosaurs lived together and that the world is only a few thousand years old.

Now it is wrong for people to believe that God had any hand in the existence of the world? Or at least to consider the posibility in an educational setting? How about in "philosophy"?
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Not at all. Many Christians, perhaps even a majority, believe that evolution is the way their deity created all those species. That does not necessarily make it true, but that is what they believe.

The bottom line is that we do not teach religion as science in our public schools. That's not going to change. This case is about just that.

[shuckmaster]

Intelligent design is quite capable of creating a Ferrari engine but, that has absolutely nothing to do with biology. When you can put two Ferrari engines together and one of them gets pregnant and bears a liter of little infant Ferrari engines suckling off the mother, then you can make an analogy with evolution.

[Dimensio]

The Evolutionist believes that there is no life after death

Don't make bogus generalizations. You only expose your ignorance when you do.

[shuckmaster]

The believer, on the other hand, through the scripture, knows the result of bearing false witness...

[joesnuffy]

There is only one truth..

All else is counterfeit

[tamalejoe]

>When Ferrari engines reproduce naturally, with no human intervention, then your example will make some sense. Since they do not, it doesn't.

Sexual reproduction is more complicated than anything happening in the Ferrari engine. In fact the simplest one celled animal is more complicated than the Ferrari engine.

If a Ferrari engine couldn't just happen, how in hell are those kinds of things supposed to?