[tamalejoe]

This is a Ferrari engine. ID is the theory which says that when you see something like that, you figure it was designed and engineered. Evolution is the theory which says that things like that just sort of happen.

[MineralMan]

When Ferrari engines reproduce naturally, with no human intervention, then your example will make some sense. Since they do not, it doesn't.

[shuckmaster]

Intelligent design is quite capable of creating a Ferrari engine but, that has absolutely nothing to do with biology. When you can put two Ferrari engines together and one of them gets pregnant and bears a liter of little infant Ferrari engines suckling off the mother, then you can make an analogy with evolution.

[js1138]

Only if you mistake an auto engine for a living thing that reproduces itself.

[Coyoteman]

This is a Ferrari engine. ID is the theory which says that when you see something like that, you figure it was designed and engineered. Evolution is the theory which says that things like that just sort of happen.

Oh, I don't know. Maybe it evolved from a Morris Minor engine. [A little humor]

Actually this is a specious argument. Everyone knows Ferrari engines do not have any DNA.

[bobdsmith]

This is a Ferrari engine. ID is the theory which says that when you see something like that, you figure it was designed and engineered. Evolution is the theory which says that things like that just sort of happen.

Evolution is about life only. And the difference between a ferarri engine and life is this:

1) no plausible natural mechanism exists to explain the existance of ferrari engines. A plausible natural mechanism does exist to explain the diversity of life on earth. It is called evolution.

2) We have observed humans making ferarri engines. We did not observe anyone making life.

I argue that we only assume intelligent design if either we have observed the designer making the object, or if we cannot imagine any natural mechanism that could have produced it. In fact this last one is not foolproof, as even if we know of no natural mechanisms we might very well discover one in the future. For example there was a time when there were no known natural mechanisms for the weather. Man therefore wrongly assumed the weather was ID. This really highlights why we should never assume ID but should always seek natural mechanisms.

[adam_az]

"Evolution is the theory which says that things like that just sort of happen."

No it is not, since engines are not living things that reproduce.

You're confusing evolution with the origin of life.

[Windsong]

Good analogy re: ferrari engine. It is baffling that they see an engineering blueprint like the human cell (complete with Golgi Apparatus, Mitochondria, ATP pathways, etc) and say "it made itself".

Fruitcakes. All of em.

[185JHP]

Experimenting and finding out that a 12 cylinder engine works better in a race car than an 8 cylinder engine didn't just "happen", either. A Designer was/is at work. The vile and weak evo theory is circling the drain, and a lot of the hoaxers know it - one reason they're getting so lathered up...