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AMERICAN MUSLIMS ISSUE FATWA AGAINST TERRORISM
Adnki ^ | September 27 | AKI/DAWN

Posted on 09/27/2005 6:54:58 AM PDT by RDTF

Washington D.C., 27 Sept. (AKI/DAWN) - North American Muslims have issued a religious edict or fatwa against extremism and terrorism to prevent disgruntled Muslims who might be tempted to use their religion to justify violence, says a pamphlet distributed at mosques and other religious places across the United States and Canada.The fatwa has been signed by representatives of more than 250 mosques and Islamic centres and endorsed by over 170 Muslim groups, leaders and institutions.

The American fatwa followed a fatwa issued in March by the Islamic Commission of Spain, which declared Osama bin Laden an apostate and urged other Muslims to denounce the al- Qaeda leader. In both the fatwas, Muslim clerics denounced terrorism in religious vocabulary, quoting from the Holy Quran and the Hadith to make their point.

“As Muslims, we must face up to our responsibility to clarify and advocate a faith-based, righteous and moral position with regard to this problem, especially when terrorist acts are perpetrated in the name of Islam,” said the pamphlet distributed by the Islamic Society of North America (ISNA), the largest Muslim umbrella group in this region.

Speaking at ISNA’s annual convention earlier this month, US public diplomacy chief Karen Hughes praised denunciation of violence by Muslim groups as “much welcomed”.

“Those are the words the entire world needs to hear,” she said.

Hughes was also urged by 30 Muslim leaders to give American Muslims more influence over US foreign policy.


TOPICS: News/Current Events; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: fatwa; jihad; kitman; muslims; rop; taqiyya; taquija; taquiyya; waronterror
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To: RDTF
You can read the brochure here. As Emerson notes, it all depends on the interpritation.
41 posted on 09/27/2005 7:31:14 AM PDT by SJackson (we are forced to live in a democracy... the process is frustratingly slow, HRH Gov Blagojevich)
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To: DustyMoment
I will gladly issue a fatwa on Tuesday, if you allow me to jihad today. Image Hosted by ImageShack.us
42 posted on 09/27/2005 7:31:23 AM PDT by cripplecreek (Never a minigun handy when you need one.)
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To: RDTF; jan in Colorado; Dark Skies; Fred Nerks; Former Dodger; AmericanArchConservative; ...
Fatwah, "religion of peace," blah, blah, blah. sorry, but doesn't that depend on their definition of the word "terrorism?" Too many of them and sound like this guy who says:

Islam, he [Noted Islamic scholar, Dr Yusuf Al Qaradawi] reiterated, did not preach terrorism at all.

And then, in the next breath, adds:

He clarified that a Muslim suicide bomber attacking a bus full of innocent civilians was to be differentiated from the one who was carrying out a suicide mission to resist foreign invasion.

Besides, on what basis is this fatwah issued? I hope it's not "istihlal" (like the Spanish fatwah) again.

43 posted on 09/27/2005 7:31:53 AM PDT by USF (I see your Jihad and raise you a Crusade ™ © ®)
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To: EagleUSA; super string
EagleUSA, thought I'd throw this in here to expand on your point:

Many know Dick Lamm as the former Governor of Colorado. In that context his thoughts are particularly poignant. Recently there was an immigration-overpopulation conference in Washington, DC, filled to capacity by many of American's finest minds and leaders. A brilliant college professor named Victor Hansen Davis talked about his latest book, "Mexifornia," explaining how immigration - both legal and illegal was destroying the entire state of California. He said it would march across the country until it destroyed all vestiges of The American Dream.

Moments later, former Colorado Governor Richard D. Lamm stood up and gave a stunning speech on how to destroy America. The audience sat spellbound as he described eight methods for the destruction of the United States. He said, "If you believe that America is too smug, too self-satisfied, too rich, then let's destroy America. It is not that hard to do. No nation in history has survived the ravages of time. Arnold Toynbee observed that all great civilizations rise and fall and that 'An autopsy of history would show that all great nations commit suicide.'"

1. "Here is how they do it," Lamm said: "Turn America into a bilingual or multi-lingual and bi-cultural country. History shows that no nation can survive the tension, conflict, and antagonism of two or more competing languages and cultures. It is a blessing for an individual to be bilingual; however, it is a curse for a society to be bilingual.

"The historical scholar Seymour Lipset put it this way: 'The histories of bilingual and bi-cultural societies that do not assimilate are histories of turmoil, tension, and tragedy.' Canada, Belgium, Malaysia, Lebanon all face crises of national existence in which minorities press for autonomy, if not independence. Pakistan and Cyprus have divided. Nigeria suppressed an ethnic rebellion. France faces difficulties with Basques, Bretons, and Corsicans."

2. Lamm went on: "Invent 'multiculturalism' and encourage immigrants to maintain their culture. I would make it an article of belief that all cultures are equal. That there are no cultural differences. I would make it an article of faith that the Black and Hispanic dropout rates are due to prejudice and discrimination by the majority. Every other explanation is out of bounds.

3. "We could make the United States an 'Hispanic Quebec' without much effort. The key is to celebrate diversity rather than unity. As Benjamin Schwarz said in the Atlantic Monthly recently: 'The apparent success of our own multi-ethnic and multicultural experiment might have been achieved not by tolerance but by hegemony. Without the dominance that once dictated ethnocentrically and what it meant to be an American, we are left with only tolerance and pluralism to hold us together.'"

4. Lamm said, "I would encourage all immigrants to keep their own language and culture. I would replace the melting pot metaphor with the salad bowl metaphor. It is important to ensure that we have various cultural subgroups living in America reinforcing their differences rather than as Americans, emphasizing their similarities."

5. "Fourth, I would make our fastest growing demographic group the least educated. I would add a second underclass, unassimilated, undereducated, and antagonistic to our population. I would have this second underclass have a 50% dropout rate from high school."

6. "My fifth point for destroying America would be to get big foundations and business to give these efforts lots of money. I would invest in ethnic identity, and I would establish the cult of 'Victimology.' I would get all minorities to think their lack of success was the fault of the majority. I would start a grievance industry blaming all minority failure on the majority population."

7. "My sixth plan for America's downfall would include dual citizenship and promote divided loyalties. I would celebrate diversity over unity. I would stress differences rather than similarities. Diverse people worldwide are mostly engaged in hating each other - that is, when they are not killing each other."

"A diverse, peaceful, or stable society is against most historical precedent. People undervalue the unity it takes to keep a nation together. Look at the ancient Greeks. The Greeks believed that they belonged to the same race; they possessed a common language and literature; and they worshiped the same gods. All Greece took part in the Olympic games. A common enemy Persia threatened their liberty. Yet all these bonds were not strong enough to over come two factors: local patriotism and geographical conditions that nurtured political divisions. Greece fell. "E. Pluribus Unum" -- >From many, one. In that historical reality, if we put the emphasis on the 'pluribus' instead of the 'unum,' we can balkanize America as surely as Kosovo."

8. "Next to last, I would place all subjects off limits ~ make it taboo to talk about anything against the cult of 'diversity.' I would find a word similar to 'heretic' in the 16th century - that stopped discussion and paralyzed thinking. Words like 'racist' or 'xenophobe' halt discussion and debate."

"Having made America a bilingual/bi-cultural country, having established multi-culturism, having the large foundations fund the doctrine of 'Victimology,' I would next make it impossible to enforce our immigration laws. I would develop a mantra: That because immigration has been good for America, it must always be good. I would make every individual immigrant symmetric and ignore the cumulative impact of millions of them."

9. In the last minute of his speech, Governor Lamm wiped his brow. Profound silence followed. Finally he said, "Lastly, I would censor Victor Hanson Davis's book Mexifornia. His book is dangerous. It exposes the plan to destroy America. If you feel America deserves to be destroyed, don't read that book."

There was no applause. A chilling fear quietly rose like an ominous cloud above every attendee at the conference. Every American in that room knew that everything Lamm enumerated was proceeding methodically, quietly, darkly, yet pervasively across the United States today. Every discussion is being suppressed. Over 100 languages are ripping the foundation of our educational system and national cohesiveness. Barbaric cultures that practice female genital mutilation are growing as we celebrate 'diversity.'

American jobs are vanishing into the Third World as corporations create a Third World in America - take note of California and other states - to date, ten million illegal aliens and growing fast. It is reminiscent of George Orwell's book "1984." In that story, three slogans are engraved in the Ministry of Truth building: "War is peace," "Freedom is slavery," and "Ignorance is strength."

Governor Lamm, walked back to his seat. It dawned on everyone at the conference that our nation and the future of this great democracy is deeply in trouble and worsening fast. If we don't get this immigration monster stopped within three years, it will rage like a California wildfire and destroy everything in its path, especially The American Dream.

44 posted on 09/27/2005 7:33:23 AM PDT by the anti-liberal (Hey, Al Qaeda: Violence is the last refuge of the incompetent)
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To: cripplecreek
Poor troll. Didn't even get a chance to explain. I really enjoy playing with them before the zot.




I guess due to the low quality and numbers, the kitties are getting hungry.

The average kitty size has gone from this:

To this

45 posted on 09/27/2005 7:33:31 AM PDT by varyouga (Reformed Kerry voter (I know, I'm a frickin' idiot))
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To: RDTF
Hughes was also urged by 30 Muslim leaders to give American Muslims more influence over US foreign policy.

Not to sure that I like this.

46 posted on 09/27/2005 7:34:57 AM PDT by b4its2late (I was only looking at your nametag, honest!)
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To: Mr. Jeeves
Thanks for the link to The War Within, looks very interesting. I look forward to hearing the overall general response, both from the Muslim community and from the ... 'liberal community'?
47 posted on 09/27/2005 7:39:46 AM PDT by the anti-liberal (Hey, Al Qaeda: Violence is the last refuge of the incompetent)
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To: brownsfan
What is it in the koran that tells muslims, when in the land of infidels, or when outnumbered, lie to the infidels?

Taqiyya and kitman: The role of Deception in Islamic terrorism.

48 posted on 09/27/2005 7:40:25 AM PDT by USF (I see your Jihad and raise you a Crusade ™ © ®)
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To: the anti-liberal

It dawned on everyone at the conference that our nation and the future of this great democracy is deeply in trouble and worsening fast.
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Thanks for the great post. It is a huge problem, and it was captured nicely in the post. And the sickening part is that Washington is working HARD to do NOTHING about the runaway freight train....nothing.


49 posted on 09/27/2005 7:40:39 AM PDT by EagleUSA
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To: RDTF

That's not a fatwa. It's merely a politically expedient statement.

A true fatwa calls for the death of one of more people. Muslim apologetics to the contrary, I'm right about this.


50 posted on 09/27/2005 7:43:37 AM PDT by savedbygrace ("No Monday morning quarterback has ever led a team to victory" GW Bush)
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To: SJackson

the link doesn't work..


51 posted on 09/27/2005 7:48:45 AM PDT by RDTF
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To: EagleUSA
Washington is working HARD to do NOTHING about the runaway freight train....nothing.IMO, Washington itself is to divided, polarized between the socialist left and the moderate right, to be an effective force in the world or among the several States. We have a political dynamic of opposition rather than resolution, so it's no wonder nothing meaningful ever gets done.
52 posted on 09/27/2005 7:55:08 AM PDT by the anti-liberal (Hey, Al Qaeda: Violence is the last refuge of the incompetent)
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To: RDTF
Try their home page http://www.balancedislam.org/. Click view.
53 posted on 09/27/2005 7:56:45 AM PDT by SJackson (we are forced to live in a democracy... the process is frustratingly slow, HRH Gov Blagojevich)
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To: RDTF

We believe, as mooslims, that suicide bumbing is almost always wrong, unless the bumber can be certain that he will kill only jooos, then it is an act approved by Allah (pbuh) for which he will be greatly rewarded in paradise.


54 posted on 09/27/2005 7:59:22 AM PDT by johnb838 (Is summer over YET?)
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To: sr4402
Was it written in Arabic, if not, it has no effect according to Muslim law.

Contrary to what is believed by many non-Muslims, and even by the majority of Muslims, a fatwa is not binding on all persons professing the Muslim faith. The only ones who are obliged to obey any specific fatwa are the mufti who issued it and his followers.
Wikipedia

Nice gesture, but it means nothing to those who are doing the killing.

55 posted on 09/27/2005 8:01:34 AM PDT by Realism (Some believe that the facts-of-life are open to debate.....)
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To: johnb838
We believe, as mooslims, that suicide bumbing is almost always wrong, unless the bumber can be certain that he will kill only jooos, then it is an act approved by Allah (pbuh) for which he will be greatly rewarded in paradise.

Get your terms right. Numerous clerics have explained that jihadists, fighting an unjust occupation with the only means they have at hand are not committing suicide, rather attacking their enemy Though dying in the process, they're not violating the prohibition against suicide, thus not suicide bombers. And legitimate resistance isn't terrorism.

All Israelis, including women and children, are occupiers, thus designated as enemy combatants, thus legitimate targets. Further legitimized by Israel's near universal military service. That two year old will grow up to be a soldier oneday.

Exactly how they justify the murder of Iraqi civilians in Iraq, or in other places around the world, I simply don't know.

56 posted on 09/27/2005 8:12:51 AM PDT by SJackson (we are forced to live in a democracy... the process is frustratingly slow, HRH Gov Blagojevich)
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To: RDTF

Uh huh. Right. Nice try, muslims.


57 posted on 09/27/2005 8:57:40 AM PDT by ariamne (Proud shieldmaiden of the infidel--never forget, never forgive 9/11)
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To: SJackson

I'm collecting and I'm so close.

Two more Fatwas to kill the Infidels and seven Fatwas against terrorism and I win a toaster.


58 posted on 09/27/2005 9:13:52 AM PDT by Sabramerican (Islam is to Peace as Rape is to Love)
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To: RDTF

Is this a first?


59 posted on 09/27/2005 9:25:10 AM PDT by The_Media_never_lie
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To: cripplecreek

Too Funny!!!


60 posted on 09/27/2005 9:27:40 AM PDT by DustyMoment (FloriDUH - proud inventors of pregnant/hanging chads and judicide!!)
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