If I had to guess, say she was deliberately fattened up to look "Mentally Challenged" for the lack of the proper PC term.
Posted on 09/26/2005 12:42:56 PM PDT by Glenn
of six counts in the Abu Ghraib prisoner abuse case, The Associated Press reports.
(Excerpt) Read more at cnn.com ...
Actually she didn't The US Army invstigation, including questioning the offenders was done in Decemeber03 and January04.
And from timing of the birth of her bub, Lynndie became pregnant in the last week of January 2004.
I forgot she was a reservist - that will make a difference in her retirement pay, but hey - it's better that what a lot of enlisteds got handed to them!
If the general, or any other officer, ordered the crimes to be committed, and thus were part of the crime, they would be tried and convicted, and probably get a harsher sentence.
Do have have any names of officers involved who have been court-martialed and got a harsher sentence?
From 4/23/05 http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1389735/posts
Army Clears Officers in Abu Ghraib Case Orange County Register ^ | 4/23/2005 | ROBERT BURNS Posted on 04/23/2005 9:11:21 AM PDT by kellynla WASHINGTON (AP) -- Lt. Gen. Ricardo Sanchez, faulted by some for leadership failures in the Abu Ghraib prisoner abuse scandal, has been cleared by the Army of all allegations of wrongdoing and will not be punished, officials said.
Three officers who were among Sanchez's top deputies during the period of the prisoner abuse in the fall of 2003 also have been cleared.
Ugly? Yep.
Stupid? Yep.
Fat? I missed that one.
That's not true. If you put them in a jail cell that they cannot get out of, there isn't much they can do. They are under control.
They are used to being treated like the animals that they are.
I don't think they were used to being treated in that manner, and even if they were, it should not have been at the hands of a "superior" country. Our whole purpose was to civilize the nation ... no, wait ... it was to get rid of Weapons of Mass Destruction. I guess barring that, playing with their genitals was the next best thing.
That doesn't mean we have completely sink to their level. But "Nice" and "civil" is not likely to get the job done either.
Get what job done? What did any of that nonesense accomplish?
Yes, I have a problem with this. It's the officers who are put in positions of leadership. That's their job! If they fail, they should be held accountable applicable with their pay-grade. Far too often though, it doesn't happen that way. The enlisted folks serve time, while the officers don't. My comments are not class mongering... merely a reflection of my opinion of the military judicial system and the disparities between officer and enlisted. I have personally seen an officer let off the hook completely for viewing porn on a government computer while on watch as Command Duty Officer!
yes
Trust me the latest pictures of her are a discredit to the uniform onto themselves.
are you saying she was fat in the latest pics?
(not a challenge. just haven't seen any recent pics and wanted to make sure you meant what I thought you meant. I am not sure I want to see recent pics. ugly + fat is a bad combination. I am fat but wasn't ugly. at least I can diet. LOL)
If I had to guess, say she was deliberately fattened up to look "Mentally Challenged" for the lack of the proper PC term.
nasty!
but to me she already looked "mentally challenged". seriously! that is not indication of guilt or innocence. just my observation.
Yes, they (your comments) are. I think you're getting trapped in the class angle, even though it may have little do with what went on. It is entirely possible, and likely, IMHO, that the officers overseeing Ms Englund were entirely unaware of what was going on with her little "group".
If they *were* aware or had ordered it, of course their punishment should be at least or more than Ms Englund.
But it is useful to note, without the privilege of any inside evidence, that it doesn't appear that "orders" were in any way part of her defense. The jury seemed to find that they cooked up these little games on their own.
If an officer above them had ordered it, then the punishment should go to him/her, with their punishment being lesser for failing to disobey an illegal order. But it is the other way round.
If the officer gives no order, but the enlisted below him/her commits an illegal act, then the enlisted is in fact guilty of the worse offense. If the officer could have known or should have known, then it may also be an offense, but it *would be* a lesser offense than the act itself.
IMHO.
The officer was held accountable and was demoted. The one who actually commits the offense pays a much steeper penalty. That's how it usually works and how it should be. I think the whole thing was overblown to begin with. You surely can't be suggesting that officers should go to prison over this? For what?
I'll trade you one Cindy Sheehan for Lynndie England. If you press me, I'll throw in Barbara Jackson Lee.
Guess not. When you are fat, ugly and stupid, being pregnant doesn't usually add to your appeal.
"Fat, Dumb, and Stupid is no way to go through life son"
I agree in that this was way overblown. I don't think anyone should have gone to jail over this.
Well, OK!
>>>Also, I don't condone what they did, but they were abusing some of the most savage killers alive<<<
Exactly. These prisoners were from Saddam's elite guard--the ones who would take 10 and 11 year old girls out of class and bring them to the Palace for orgies of rape and sodomy.
This poor girl was thrown to the lions to appease the media. The only thing the soldiers at Abu Grhaib did wrong was forgetting which side the media was on.
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