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Dispute over evolution goes on trial in U.S. court
Baltimore Sun ^ | September 26, 2005 | Arthur Hirsch

Posted on 09/26/2005 1:53:21 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife

A Pennsylvania school district's use of "intelligent design" in its high school biology curriculum goes on trial in federal court today in the nation's first legal challenge to the idea, which contends that evolutionary theory alone does not explain how life on Earth took shape.

The lawsuit, brought by 11 parents in the Dover Area School District, attacks as unconstitutional the year-old policy of telling ninth-grade biology students that Charles Darwin's theory of evolution "is not a fact. Gaps in the Theory exist for which there is no evidence." School officials also recommend a book on intelligent design, or ID.

The plaintiffs, including the American Civil Liberties Union and Americans United for Separation of Church and State, argue that the policy -- which does not require students to study intelligent design -- serves religious, not secular ends, violating the First Amendment.

ID proponents say scientists can look at life forms and identify the work of a controlling "intelligence," although ID advocates are not specific about the nature of that force. While they do not reject all evolutionary theory, ID proponents argue that it incorrectly insists life took shape purely through a mindless process.

(Excerpt) Read more at baltimoresun.com ...


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Extended News; Government; News/Current Events; US: Pennsylvania
KEYWORDS: allcrevoallthetime; anothercrevothread; crevolist; crevorepublic; education; enoughalready; evolution; id; lawsuit; religion; scienceeducation
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To: Vaquero

Humans are not apes. That makes absolutely no sense just by simple observation. And if you believe otherwise, you are delusional.


341 posted on 09/26/2005 3:09:36 PM PDT by mlc9852
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To: Vive ut Vivas

I should clarify once more that nothing is ever proved in science.


342 posted on 09/26/2005 3:10:12 PM PDT by Vive ut Vivas (Deity in training.)
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To: Vive ut Vivas

Evidence that simply indicates certainly can be interpreted in different ways.


343 posted on 09/26/2005 3:10:25 PM PDT by mlc9852
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To: mlc9852

Sorry. Not playing.


344 posted on 09/26/2005 3:11:18 PM PDT by ml1954
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To: mlc9852
Humans are not apes. That makes absolutely no sense just by simple observation. And if you believe otherwise, you are delusional.

You're out of touch with reality. Humans are apes. And mammals. And vertebrates. Are you going to dispute those too?
345 posted on 09/26/2005 3:11:40 PM PDT by Vive ut Vivas (Deity in training.)
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To: ml1954

Gonna take your ball and go home?


346 posted on 09/26/2005 3:12:01 PM PDT by mlc9852
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To: Vive ut Vivas

Humans are mammals - that is obvious. It is equally obvious we are not apes. Apes are apes and humans are humans - surely you see the distinction. I just can't imagine believing an ape is equal to a human. Why aren't mice and pigs equal to humans? Our DNA is very, very close. Why choose apes to descend from?


347 posted on 09/26/2005 3:15:10 PM PDT by mlc9852
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To: mlc9852
Evidence that simply indicates certainly can be interpreted in different ways.

All evidence will ever do is "simply indicate". There are incorrect ways to interpret evidence. Newton could have incorrectly interpreted that gravity was angels pushing down on him.
348 posted on 09/26/2005 3:15:33 PM PDT by Vive ut Vivas (Deity in training.)
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To: mlc9852
Nah. Your no fun and not worth the effort.
349 posted on 09/26/2005 3:17:39 PM PDT by ml1954
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To: mlc9852

I'll play. Why don't you give me the characteristics of an ape, and how, specifically, humans do not fit them?

Btw what do you mean by "Why aren't mice and pigs equal to humans"? What do you mean by "equal"?


350 posted on 09/26/2005 3:17:41 PM PDT by Vive ut Vivas (Deity in training.)
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To: Vive ut Vivas

So you admit to incorrect interpretation, except when it comes to evolution, right?


351 posted on 09/26/2005 3:19:37 PM PDT by mlc9852
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To: ml1954

That should be "you're" - a contraction. Maybe you should have studied English as hard as you studied evolution.


352 posted on 09/26/2005 3:20:24 PM PDT by mlc9852
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To: mlc9852

Oh please. When you demonstrate where the evidence has been incorrectly interpreted, I'll listen.


353 posted on 09/26/2005 3:21:53 PM PDT by Vive ut Vivas (Deity in training.)
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To: Vive ut Vivas

Relatives - cousins, descendents. I am descended from humans. We and they looked like humans, thought like humans, and lived like humans. Apes do not look like us, think like us, or live like us. Apes are apes. Humans are humans.


354 posted on 09/26/2005 3:22:12 PM PDT by mlc9852
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To: Vive ut Vivas

And when you prove humans descended from apes, I'll listen.


355 posted on 09/26/2005 3:23:05 PM PDT by mlc9852
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To: Vive ut Vivas
Intelligent Falling is already gaining popularity. Check out this article from a very credible source.

We have to stop the Secular Gravitists from suppressing IF! Physics students should be exposed to all viewpoints!

Teach the controversy!

356 posted on 09/26/2005 3:24:38 PM PDT by JasonSC
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To: mlc9852

Telling me "apes are apes" is not telling me what an ape is.


357 posted on 09/26/2005 3:25:13 PM PDT by Vive ut Vivas (Deity in training.)
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To: mlc9852
Have you learned nothing from this? Nothing in science is ever "proven". And I know you won't even click this, but the List-O-Links has a ton of evidence for evolution. So don't say I haven't given you any, because there's some right there. Go through that, point out something that is wrong, and then we'll talk. Better yet, show you even have a basic understanding of what science is.
358 posted on 09/26/2005 3:29:24 PM PDT by Vive ut Vivas (Deity in training.)
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To: mlc9852

Now what would Jesus say about all of your insults?

And for one last time, I'm not playing. Have fun.


359 posted on 09/26/2005 3:30:33 PM PDT by ml1954
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To: mlc9852
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ape

Apes are members of the superfamily Hominoidea, which includes the family Hominidae (Hominids). Humans are hominids - therefore by definition, humans are apes, whether you like it or not.

360 posted on 09/26/2005 3:37:13 PM PDT by JasonSC
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