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To: wagglebee

If you outlaw abortion, mothers will go to the black market to have them performed regardless. Then we would have a very serious problem on our hands. In nations where abortions are illegal, just as many are performed on the black market compared to the nations that it legalized. Just something to consider.

~Scott~


41 posted on 09/24/2005 5:17:14 PM PDT by jscottdavis_for_48th_district (J. Scott Davis http://groups.yahoo.com/group/jscottdavisfanclub ... Hollywood's Next Action Hero)
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To: jscottdavis_for_48th_district
Ah, yes...the coat hanger myth. One of my favorites.

I'd love to see a photograph of the piles of women who died from botched abortions pre-RvW.

You know what most women did before RvW? They kept their legs crossed at the knees.

43 posted on 09/24/2005 5:22:45 PM PDT by grellis (Coming in September 2006! SURVIVOR: MORDOR)
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To: jscottdavis_for_48th_district
By your reasoning then, there were almost a half a million illegal abortions per year performed in the year before Roe v. Wade?

IN 1972, according to CDC, there were 586,000 abortions performed.

Are you claiming that in 1970 there were 500,000 illegal abortions?

49 posted on 09/24/2005 5:54:29 PM PDT by ikka
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To: jscottdavis_for_48th_district
It might be much, much safer for the women. The botched abortion of September 5, 1998 at Delta Women's Clinic resulted in a Louisiana law passed that required health inspections for abortion mills (clinics).

You dog or cat have much more sanitary conditions at a vet clinic than at an abortion mill.

Most abortionists are those that flunked out of med school or are from some foreign country.

53 posted on 09/24/2005 6:08:29 PM PDT by topher (Please let Old-Fashioned moral values return to the United States!)
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To: jscottdavis_for_48th_district

What black market? Haven't you read Roe v. Wade? That ruling literally legalized the so-called "back alley abortionist".


71 posted on 09/24/2005 7:18:36 PM PDT by muawiyah (/ hey coach do I gotta' put in that "/sarcasm " thing again?)
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To: jscottdavis_for_48th_district
Perhaps, but at the very least abortion should be illegal after the first trimester.

This baby was at 28 weeks. I have a nephew who was born at 24 weeks, and is now a very healthy 8 year old.

Not to mention the fact that yes, there will always be women who will want an abortion. However, there is no excuse for ANY woman to get pregnant in a day when medical advances have given us every kind of preventative birth control you can imagine. IUD, the pill, condoms, the patch, heck, you can even have some thing implanted in your arm.

If you are looking at abortion from a practical standpoint, and forget about the babies for a moment, it has become a from of birth control for young women. It should not be that way. Not only that, but young women really don't even care if they GET pregnant, because there are no consequences in their mind. They just get an abortion, and go to lunch. And I am not kidding.

This is not 1928. Women have many options, before they choose to have sex, to make sure that they do not get pregnant in the first place.

Obviosly the case of this young woman was different, but I am speaking generally.

79 posted on 09/24/2005 7:29:59 PM PDT by teenyelliott (Soylent green should be made outta liberals...)
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To: jscottdavis_for_48th_district

SO effin' what.... do you want to also legalize murder after birth just because thousands of illegal killings happen every year?


94 posted on 09/24/2005 8:20:43 PM PDT by hoosierham (Waddaya mean Freedom isn't free ?;will you take a creditcard?)
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To: jscottdavis_for_48th_district
If you outlaw abortion, mothers will go to the black market to have them performed regardless. Then we would have a very serious problem on our hands. In nations where abortions are illegal, just as many are performed on the black market compared to the nations that it legalized. Just something to consider.

I don't know how committed you are to your 'pro-choice' stance, as I have only your comments here and your FR profile page to go on. But I have something else for you to consider if you are willing...

If I may be so bold as to ask if it is because you feel you have no right to "judge" because you are not a woman and therefore cannot know? That is where my brother resides... in that "live and let live", "not my place to judge what others should do" world. But my brother is one of a lessening crowd... more and more people are realizing exactly what our elected officials are holding so dear through every election, every appointment and nomination. The right for every and any woman and girl to kill her child without consequence.

You write it is a woman's body, so her choice. But part of her body, when she is pregnant, belongs to another person. Different DNA, if you are coming at this from a scientific view.

If abortion is outlawed - which is to say, not only is Roe v Wade overturned but each and every one of our 50 states makes abortion illegal ALSO (as Roe v Wade does NOT ban abortion outright as MSM would have us believe), do you not think that perhaps men and women would think twice before jumping into bed with people? If they did not have such an easy fix for their neglected duties in personal responsibility, would they so hastily consent to lie with anyone? The majority of abortions are performed for the mother's "mental health" = #1 reason given that wasn't written down: "I'm not ready."

When immoral things are legal - does that make them right? Of course not. That abortion is legal makes it no more moral than slavery. It only means that people can feel better about themselves for committing willful murder. Women are told "it's only a blob of tissue", "it isn't a baby yet" etc. A fetal heart starts beating at 22 days, or 3 weeks after conception. Most women do not even know they are pregnant yet. But that 2nd heart beating in their bodies isn't theirs. It belongs to another life. Should it be legal for someone to end that life because they "don't feel like it right now"? That bumpersticker we've all seen "Abortion stops a beating heart" isn't just something Pro-Lifers tout as a cute phrase. It is a scientific fact. And if you prefer to look at this from another perspective, perhaps I can let someone closer to God than I speak:

"Every human being, even the infant in the mother's womb, has the right to life immediately from God, not from the parent or any human society or authority. Therefore, there is no man, no human authority, no science, no medical, eugenic, social, economic or moral "indication" that can show or give valid juridical title for direct deliberate disposition concerning an innocent human life-which is to say, a disposition that aims at its destruction either as an end in itself or as the means of attaining another end that is perhaps in no way illicit itself. Thus, for example, to save the life of the mother is a most noble end, but the direct killing of the child as a means to this end is not licit. "

~ Allocution to Italian midwives Pope Pius XII October 29, 1951


Something to consider.
117 posted on 09/24/2005 10:46:34 PM PDT by cgk (When the BIG ONE wipes out Hollywood can we call it Bush's Fault instead of the San Andreas Fault?)
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To: jscottdavis_for_48th_district

I wonder how many contributions you'll get to your campaign with that horrendous attitude.

So we sanction killing?


180 posted on 09/25/2005 7:21:35 PM PDT by DLfromthedesert (Texas Cowboy...you da man!!)
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To: jscottdavis_for_48th_district
If you outlaw abortion, mothers will go to the black market to have them performed regardless. Then we would have a very serious problem on our hands. In nations where abortions are illegal, just as many are performed on the black market compared to the nations that it legalized. Just something to consider.

I agree. This is something to consider.

187 posted on 09/25/2005 7:46:28 PM PDT by Jorge (Q)
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To: jscottdavis_for_48th_district
If you outlaw abortion, mothers will go to the black market to have them performed regardless.

Murdering 5 year olds is illegal and people still kill them regardless.
212 posted on 09/26/2005 8:31:49 AM PDT by Delphinium
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