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Washington Post Trashes Able Danger Witnesses
NewsMax ^ | 9/24/05 | NewsMax

Posted on 09/24/2005 10:55:28 AM PDT by wagglebee

The Washington Post is challenging the credibility of five members of the Army's elite Able Danger intelligence unit, saying there's no evidence they ever produced a chart identifying lead hijacker Mohamed Atta as a terrorist threat.

The paper declined, however, to dispute the authenticity of a videotape showing a copy of the Able Danger chart, which was displayed by Rep. Curt Weldon during a May 2002 speech to the Heritage Foundation.

Launching the attack in Saturday editions, the Post insisted that investigators and counterterrorism experts find it "improbable -- if not impossible -- that an obscure Defense Department program that used open-source records could identify Atta by name and photograph in early 2000 when he was living in Germany under a different name and had yet to obtain a U.S. visa."

The paper sought to portray Rep. Weldon as a crackpot, saying:

"Weldon is a controversial figure who is vice chairman of the House homeland security and armed services committees and is known for carrying a replica of a suitcase nuclear bomb. His book, which devoted one paragraph to the claim about Atta, focused primarily on allegations by an Iranian intelligence source whom the CIA has dismissed as a fabricator."

Without offering any examples, the Post said Able Danger witnesses had changed their stories:

"Weldon and others who have made the charges have contradicted themselves or provided shifting explanations for important details at the heart of the case, according to interviews, news reports, transcripts and hearing testimony."

Most damaging to Weldon's claims, the paper said, was the denial it obtained from National Security Advisor Stephen Hadley on Friday - whose spokesman challenged Weldon's assertion that he had given Hadley a copy of the Atta chart two weeks after the 9/11 attacks.

"Mr. Hadley does not recall any chart bearing the name or photo of Mohamed Atta," Frederick L. Jones II told the paper. "NSC staff reviewed the files of Mr. Hadley as well as of all NSC personnel. That search has turned up no chart."

The Post also quoted former 9/11 Commissioner Slade Gorton, who declared: "No evidence turns up to corroborate what people think they saw."

In fact, the video of Weldon's Heritage Foundation speech offers strong - albeit circumstantial - evidence that the Able Danger chart did indeed exist - and that it identified lead hijacker Atta.

After unveiling the chart during his presentation, Weldon explained: "I went to the White House. I don't mean to embarrass this guy cause he's a good friend of mine. But I took a mini version of this chart in Nov. [2001] and I turned it over to him - Steve Hadley, who works directly for [then-National Security Advisor] Condi Rice."

While the online version of the Heritage video is too blurry to make out details of the chart, Weldon's description of Hadley's reaction suggests it contained shocking new information.

"This is unbelievable," Hadley allegedly said. "Where'd you get this?"

After being told about Able Danger, Weldon said Hadley told him: "I've got to show this to the man" - meaning President Bush.

In an interview last month, Able Danger Defense Department liaison Lt. Col. Anthony Shaffer confirmed that the chart Weldon gave to Hadley featured a photo of Mohamed Atta.

Discussing the Atta chart with ABC Radio host Sean Hannity, Shaffer explained:

"Within two weeks of the attack, this colleague of mine ... she took that very poster to Congressman Weldon. And I have to say he took it right to [Stephen] Hadley, I believe, over at the NSC. It's my understanding that he gave him that chart and Hadley had a great deal of interest in it."

Though the online video of Weldon's Heritage speech isn't clear enough to discern the Atta photo, video enhancement techniques applied to the original recording may yield more than just circumstantial evidence that such a chart existed.

To view the online video of Rep. Weldon's May 23, 2002 Heritage Foundation address, go to: http://www.heritage.org/Press/Events/2002archive.cfm He displays the Atta chart approximately 34 minutes into his presentation.


TOPICS: Extended News; Foreign Affairs; Government; News/Current Events; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: 911; 911commission; abledanger; anthonyshaffer; atta; clintonfailure; coverup; curtweldon; mediabias; washingtonpost
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To: Canard

not my point....they are saying there was no documentary evidence of Able Danger- I'm looking for a link to see the CoPosts attitude towards the Dwoning Street memo...and the "minutes" were never presented...in fact they accuser said he destroyed them.


21 posted on 09/24/2005 12:21:10 PM PDT by God luvs America (When the silent majority speaks the earth trembles!)
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To: God luvs America

"the "minutes" were never presented...in fact they accuser said he destroyed them."

Off topic and slight nitpick, but this seems to be a common mistake. The journalist in question did not destroy any of the original copies of the minutes. They were photocopied and returned immediately. At some point he destroyed his photocopies, having transcribed them (presumably there was something on them which could potentially identify the source).


22 posted on 09/24/2005 12:29:39 PM PDT by Canard
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To: Canard

off topic??

I am comparing the ComPosts reaction to the Downing Street Memo vs. Able Danger...nothing off topic there.

As far as I remember, the reporter who "broke" the story destroyed the so-called memo to protect his source...

We both know damn well if there was any serious evidence of this it would be paraded around by the MSM....


23 posted on 09/24/2005 12:31:52 PM PDT by God luvs America (When the silent majority speaks the earth trembles!)
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To: God luvs America

"We both know damn well if there was any serious evidence of this it would be paraded around by the MSM...."

Like I said, there is no debate about the existence or authenticity of the minutes. Tony Blair confirmed in Parliament that the minutes had been submitted to the Butler Enquiry into the use of intelligence, that had occured several months before the leak of the contents.


24 posted on 09/24/2005 12:38:38 PM PDT by Canard
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To: Canard

When the post starts to scream turn the screw a little more.


25 posted on 09/24/2005 12:40:30 PM PDT by stocksthatgoup (Polls = Proof that when the MSM want your opinion they will give it to you.)
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26 posted on 09/24/2005 1:02:47 PM PDT by Prime Choice (E=mc^3. Don't drink and derive.)
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To: wagglebee

bttt


27 posted on 09/24/2005 1:03:43 PM PDT by Just mythoughts
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To: wagglebee

Is there anyone that has the CSPAN copy of Weldon showing the chart? Destroyed or not, they cannot deny it existed... You can never destoy info completely... especially when there are so many greedy characters looking for leverage.


28 posted on 09/24/2005 1:48:21 PM PDT by AliVeritas (Ignorance is a condition. Stupidity is a strategy.)
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To: Ron in Acreage

They did the same with all the swift boat vets.


29 posted on 09/24/2005 1:56:51 PM PDT by FreeAtlanta (never surrender, this is for the kids)
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To: AliVeritas

Here is the link to when he displayed in a talk at the Heritage Foundation on May 23, 2002, he shows it about 34 minutes into the speech.
http://www.heritage.org/Press/Events/2002archive.cfm


30 posted on 09/24/2005 1:58:32 PM PDT by wagglebee ("We are ready for the greatest achievements in the history of freedom." -- President Bush, 1/20/05)
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To: Ron in Acreage

I agree with you totally. It's a given that the media is biased in favor of Democrats and liberals. And the media is also intellectually dishonest.


31 posted on 09/24/2005 2:37:59 PM PDT by popdonnelly
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To: wagglebee
"It used to be that the Wash Post just ignored news that didn't fit their agenda, now they just show how flagrantly biased they are."

Absolutely right. This is about the finest example of MSM bias I have come across in a while. My theory is that since the relatives, friends and survivors of the 911 tragedy have come aboard (they attended the meeting Wed. with Weldon) the MSM and others are going to be running scared, and soon. Since they can't and wouldn't dare go after 911 relatives they go after Weldon.
Their(the msm) best bet is to poo- poo the story from the start. Act just like the 911 commission did. Pretend it's not even there. Make all involved look foolish, or lie their way through very spotty coverage which is what Wash Post is doing.
They are as biased or more so and even slicker then the NYT. The wash post manages to slide in an even-handed story in every now and then.
But they all have the same agenda, down with GW and our party.

That's why we have the new media and we will eat their lunch every time and this time will be no exception.
32 posted on 09/24/2005 3:19:37 PM PDT by rodguy911 (Time to get rid of the UN and the ACLU and all Mosques in the US,UK.)
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To: Dat Mon

Polygraph these bozos to get the truth.


33 posted on 09/24/2005 3:32:33 PM PDT by rodguy911 (Time to get rid of the UN and the ACLU and all Mosques in the US,UK.)
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To: wagglebee
In fact, the video of Weldon's Heritage Foundation speech offers strong - albeit circumstantial - evidence that the Able Danger chart did indeed exist - and that it identified lead hijacker Atta.

1. If Weldon gave the chart to Hadley in 2001, how could Weldon have it at the Heritage Foundation in 2002? Evidently Weldon did not keep a copy because I saw him on C-SPAN the other day displaying a chart that he admitted was a reconstruction.

2. Supposing that Weldon gave Hadley a chart showing Mohammad Atta two weeks after September 11th as he claims, this still would not prove that Atta was identified before September 11th.

34 posted on 09/24/2005 3:45:37 PM PDT by wideminded
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To: wagglebee

bttt


35 posted on 09/24/2005 3:47:12 PM PDT by Lancey Howard
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To: wideminded

Do you believe Weldon is being dishonest?


36 posted on 09/24/2005 4:18:53 PM PDT by somemoreequalthanothers (All for the betterment of "the state", comrade)
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To: wideminded

The paper declined, however, to dispute the authenticity of a videotape showing a copy of the Able Danger chart, which was displayed by Rep. Curt Weldon during a May 2002 speech to the Heritage Foundation.

the chart in 2002 was a copy of the 2001 chart


37 posted on 09/24/2005 5:00:53 PM PDT by jeltz25
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To: jeltz25
the chart in 2002 was a copy of the 2001 chart

If he had a copy in 2002, what happened to it? Why did he need to reconstruct the chart recently? The original chart was supposed to have a picture of Atta that is different from the one we are all familiar with. What happened to that picture?

38 posted on 09/24/2005 5:14:27 PM PDT by wideminded
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To: somemoreequalthanothers
Do you believe Weldon is being dishonest?

It's hard to tell what is going on. Weldon appears sincere and the Pentagon definitely appears to be withholding something, but Weldon doesn't seem to have much to back up his claims. When I have heard Lt. Col. Shaffer speaking, he also seemed to also be presenting somewhat vague second-hand information. I think that we will have to wait for more concrete information to come out at which time it will become clear if anyone is dishonest, mistaken, or nutty.

39 posted on 09/24/2005 5:27:04 PM PDT by wideminded
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To: wagglebee

"Weldon is a controversial figure who is vice chairman of the House homeland security and armed services committees and is known for carrying a replica of a suitcase nuclear bomb."

Actually, that sounds cool!


40 posted on 09/24/2005 7:01:24 PM PDT by strategofr (What did happen to those 293 boxes of secret FBI files (esp on Senators) Hillary stole?)
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