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Boeing apologizes to customers
Seattle Times ^ | September 24, 2005 | David Bowermaster

Posted on 09/24/2005 9:13:35 AM PDT by ConservativeStatement

Boeing's top airplane salesman apologized to customers yesterday for the "pain" caused by the Boeing Machinists strike, but said the company owed it to airlines to "hold out for a fair and reasonable settlement."

Scott Carson also delivered an unusual mea culpa for missteps Boeing made earlier in the decade that led the company to neglect international customers and fall behind its European rival, Airbus, in airplane sales.

(Excerpt) Read more at seattletimes.nwsource.com ...


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Culture/Society
KEYWORDS: aircrafts; airlines; airplanes; apology; aviation; ba; boeing; machinists; strike; union
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1 posted on 09/24/2005 9:13:36 AM PDT by ConservativeStatement
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To: MassRepublicanFlyersFan

...Unions - screwing productivity since 1867...


2 posted on 09/24/2005 9:18:18 AM PDT by Zeppelin (Stop Global Warming. Shut a Liberal's Mouth.)
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To: Zeppelin

The unions aren't finished yet. Still lots more damage to do.


3 posted on 09/24/2005 9:19:23 AM PDT by OldFriend (One Man With Courage Makes a Majority ~ Andrew Jackson)
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To: MassRepublicanFlyersFan

the ones on strike are the ones that cry manufacturing is going overseas


4 posted on 09/24/2005 9:21:52 AM PDT by JohnLongIsland
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To: Zeppelin

They will cut union workers wages so that the CEO and other salary people can have a bonuses and raises in the millions of dollars. Why is it no one ever says anything about this. I agree that some union workers are slackers, but try not to group us all into one blanket coverage.


5 posted on 09/24/2005 9:26:25 AM PDT by Racer1
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To: sionnsar; Baynative

ping


6 posted on 09/24/2005 9:26:29 AM PDT by bigfootbob
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To: bigfootbob

A huge part of the machinists complaints is a change to their healthcare. My wife just so happens to be in the claims and adjudications department of the insurance company that handles Boeing Employees, and is familiar with their health plans (old and proposed) inside and out.

She is just astounded that these...People have the sheer unmitigated gall to complain about their health plan, which even in it's proposed form is far and away superior to the one the health insurance company my wife works for extends to its own employees.

I work for a national cellular company (who won every JD Power award for wireless this year) and we have damn good health care...But nothing like the Boeing folks.

These people don't deserve the jobs they have. I wish in this one case, Boeing would just outsource the work to a country where the workers appreciate it and send these people packing. The unions need to stop holding their employers hostage.


7 posted on 09/24/2005 9:34:25 AM PDT by Heavyrunner (Socialize this.)
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To: Racer1

No that is what the leadership is telling you. Unions are a scurge upon the free world, end of story.


8 posted on 09/24/2005 9:37:50 AM PDT by vpintheak (Liberal = The antithesis of Freedom and Patriotism)
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To: vpintheak

No that has been my experience. Been there done that! I can't speak for these people in this union but wait and see if bonuses are paid for cutting wages.


9 posted on 09/24/2005 9:40:46 AM PDT by Racer1
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To: Heavyrunner
You'll get no argument from me.

I've posted recently concerning the early reports Seattle/Tacoma/Bremerton were to receive 2,000 Katrina evacuee's, didn't happen, how I thought they could be housed and retrained at the Boeing facility in Everett, the World's Largest Building and complex.

There's and odd collection of statues at the Machinist union HQ in Everett that have losers standing around a burn barrel with Black Power style extended right fist.

Pictures were posted here during the last strike. I'll bet when sionnsar pops in he'll remember and post a link back to them. They are very disgusting.
10 posted on 09/24/2005 9:51:30 AM PDT by bigfootbob
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To: Racer1
What is wrong with a CEO getting millions of dollars under a contract to perform? If he performs, he gets the money; if he desn't perform, then he doesn't get the rewards. If the CEO candidate can negotiate a contract with a company and they are willing to pay him a large amount of cash to do so, what is the hang-up?


Do we not live in a free country? Don't you have the freedom to go work somewhere else that doesn't employ CEO's like Boeing? Or is it the fact that you like having the unions negotiate on your behalf knowing that to do so on your own you probably wouldn't achieve as much? At least the CEO "who is getting the millions" negotiated his own contract, on his own terms, based on his own merits and at his own risk.

11 posted on 09/24/2005 10:14:45 AM PDT by jettester (I got paid to break 'em - not fly 'em)
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To: jettester
Would you call a bankrupt company a good performance. Forget the unions part. I'm not a big fan of unions either. CEO's still are not worth millions. Its a waste of stockholders money.
12 posted on 09/24/2005 10:32:42 AM PDT by Racer1
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To: Racer1

The problem with what you just said is that the Board of Directors (who are seating the next CEO) are voted on by the stockholders and represent them in what they do. If the stockholders don't like the actions of the BOD, they can vote them out at the next annual meeting.

Why do you think they are not worth that much? You are "worth" what someone is willing to pay for your services, just like in modern day sports. If you don't like the offer, offer your services somewhere else - that is what capitalism is all about.

Can you name me one company of significance that went bankrupt soley because they paid "a million bucks' for a new CEO? In all likelihood, the company was on the ropes before the new CEO and that was just another stupid decision following another.

If a company has the money and believes that the new leader will take the company to the next level - what is wrong with that person getting a fair pay for what they have to offer?


13 posted on 09/24/2005 10:52:12 AM PDT by jettester (I got paid to break 'em - not fly 'em)
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To: jettester
The BOD is controlled by a chosen few stockholders and we all know it. The airline industry is a good example of CEO's reaping millions while the company loses more and more money. By the way a company called Advanced Glassfiber Yarns is a good example of what you asked for. Advanced Glassfiber Yarns or AGY as they now call it was spun of from Owens Corning just before the went into bankruptcy protection to avoid paying asbestos litigation payments. Yours or my vote as stockholders means very little unfortunately.
14 posted on 09/24/2005 1:36:17 PM PDT by Racer1
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To: Racer1

Cutting wages in a competitive market is a way of increasing productivity.


15 posted on 09/24/2005 1:42:52 PM PDT by leadpenny
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To: Racer1

"CEO's still are not worth millions."

If you own stock in the company you are saying, "Yes they are."


16 posted on 09/24/2005 1:44:35 PM PDT by leadpenny
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To: Racer1

"Its a waste of stockholders money."

It's not the stockholder's money until the BOD says it's their money.


17 posted on 09/24/2005 1:46:01 PM PDT by leadpenny
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To: Racer1
CEO's still are not worth millions.

A CEO of a multi billion dollar company that employs tens of thousands of people should make more than minimum wage.

18 posted on 09/24/2005 1:53:55 PM PDT by operation clinton cleanup
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To: operation clinton cleanup
Never said minimum wage a few hundred thousand is plenty. Stockholders own the company not the BOD. BOD are supposed to be watching that this money is spent in a wise manner. Thats ok, you think that way. It will happen to you sometime then you will understand.
19 posted on 09/24/2005 2:05:26 PM PDT by Racer1
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To: Racer1
Thats ok, you think that way. It will happen to you sometime then you will understand.

It did... and I was forced to move on to bigger and better things. I worked for EDS and got the boot... fortunately the CEO did to a few years later.

20 posted on 09/24/2005 2:11:14 PM PDT by operation clinton cleanup
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