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Wesley Clark Sketches an Exit Plan for Iraq
Village Voice ^ | September 23rd, 2005 | by Sarah Ferguson

Posted on 09/24/2005 1:15:07 AM PDT by F14 Pilot

The grief and outrage that Cindy Sheehan and the other dissenting military families have evoked this week in Washington, D.C., is palpable, as is the evidence they muster of just how careless this administration was in putting their loved ones at risk for the Iraq war. But in calling for an immediate withdrawal, the peace movement can't duck a central question: Just how do we leave

On Friday, Sheehan appeared on a Congressional Black Caucus breakfast panel with General Wesley Clark, the former NATO commander and presidential hopeful, who was there to address the issue of whether the U.S. can win the war in Iraq.

We're involved in a war that we didn't have to fight. That's the simple truth, Clark said. Now it's in trouble, deep trouble. I wish it was just as simple as saying, Mr. President, you made a mistake, get those troops out now."

The trouble is, he continued, that the Islamic extremists really do want to attack us. Getting out of Iraq will be a great defeat for us unless we do it in the right way.

Clark said the anti-war movement should demand that Bush establish a regional dialogue with other Arab states, including people we don?t like, like Syria and Iran, and focus on ?changing the minds and cutting off the recruiting of those now blowing up tanks and buses in Iraq.

We need to turn off the flow of weapons and fighters going into Iraq and turn off the invective and fears and create a climate where the Iraqis don?t need to fight each other, he said. And then we can come home.

Speaking of the expected 100,000 strong anti-war march on Saturday, Clark told Sheehan and the other military families arrayed in the audience that they should march with the flag, because this is about the future of America.

It was all too much for Carlos Arredondo of Roslindale, Massachusetts, who lost his 20-year-old son in Iraq. He ran up to the podium holding a hand-lettered IMPEACH sign.

Clark smiled and shook his head. This should not be a partisan issue, he said. America is only strong when we come together. This is really about changing the direction this country is heading in. We have to bring people together from all walks of life.?

At this, Charles Rangel, the moderator, stepped in: I've been here 35 years, and I know impeachment when I see it, said the New York congressman. If the president knew there were no weapons of mass destruction and knew there was no connection between Osama bin Laden and Saddam Hussein, and if the president knew the Iraqis were not involved in the attack on the twin towers and still allowed our nation to believe that we had to invade Iraq for it, then I'm a lawyer and a former federal prosecutor, and these are impeachable offenses, he said, to a burst of applause from the audience.

When it was her turn to speak, Sheehan stuck to her demand that we get out now. Yes, there are people who want to kill us. But they want to kill us because we?re killing innocent Arabs and Muslims," she said. "I'm afraid we're creating enemies that are going to endanger my grandchildren. That?s why I do what I do.

"Right now they're spending billions of dollars building military bases in Iraq the size of Sacramento," Sheehan continued. "If there?s one thing we as a peace movment have to agree on, it's that we have to get out of Iraq now, as soon as possible, because these maniacs plan on our children never coming home."


TOPICS: Extended News; Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: clarck; clark2008; coalition; dc; goldmother; idiotssuck; iraq; nato; sheehan; troops; usa; villagevoice
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1 posted on 09/24/2005 1:15:10 AM PDT by F14 Pilot
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To: F14 Pilot
Good grief! The moonbats haven't heard Iraqi President Jalal Talabani's praise of our troops and of the need for America to remain engaged til the Ba'athist fascists and Islamonazis are finally overcome. It is the latter two groups that continue to wage war on the Iraqi people. It is the Left that refuses to support the troops' mission on behalf of democracy and freedom. And the Democratic leadership - the frauds and hypocrites do not even have the courage of their convictions to admit they agree with their kook fringe base that they want us to lose the war there.

(Denny Crane: "Sometimes you can only look for answers from God and failing that... and Fox News".)
3 posted on 09/24/2005 1:20:10 AM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives On In My Heart Forever)
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To: F14 Pilot

Wesley Clark is a disgusting puke!


4 posted on 09/24/2005 1:22:13 AM PDT by ncountylee (Dead terrorists smell like victory)
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To: F14 Pilot
Bin Laden said that the Americans have no stomach for war, that we would cut and run. Looks increasingly like Osama was correct.

Any talk of an "exit strategy" just encourages those people.

Besides, if the President were the sort of person Rangel believes he is and thought WMD would not be found in Iraq, then WMD WOULD have been found in Iraq. Easy enough to plant evidence. Therefore the President is on the level.
5 posted on 09/24/2005 1:24:19 AM PDT by Iris7 ("Let me go to the house of the Father." Last words of His Holiness John Paul II)
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To: ncountylee

He is. But he didn't buy into most of Sheehan's idiocies. I have to give him credit for that.


6 posted on 09/24/2005 1:24:33 AM PDT by JCEccles
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To: ncountylee

his soldiers despised him


8 posted on 09/24/2005 1:27:52 AM PDT by wildcatf4f3 (admittedly too unstable for public office)
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To: Iris7

OBL was right about people like Sheehan, Kerry, Kennedy et al


9 posted on 09/24/2005 1:27:57 AM PDT by F14 Pilot (Democracy is a process not a product)
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To: wildcatf4f3

he is an informative officer but his brain has got severe problems since he declared his candidacy for the party of treason and cowardice


10 posted on 09/24/2005 1:29:21 AM PDT by F14 Pilot (Democracy is a process not a product)
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To: F14 Pilot
The fact is we did have to fight this war.Nobody can deny that Saddam was an enemy of Americia.He tried to kill a former President of the United States for chrissakes
11 posted on 09/24/2005 1:31:27 AM PDT by ac-rep
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Speaking of the expected 100,000 strong anti-war march on Saturday........

Does anyone really expect this number or is just wishful thinking?

12 posted on 09/24/2005 1:32:45 AM PDT by Doofer
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To: F14 Pilot

Col. Clark's "Sketch"


13 posted on 09/24/2005 1:33:48 AM PDT by msnimje (Hurricane KATRINA - An Example of Nature's Enforcement of Eminent Domain)
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To: msnimje; nuconvert; Calpernia; AdmSmith; Valin; PhilDragoo; pookie18

liked it!

hehehehe


14 posted on 09/24/2005 1:35:15 AM PDT by F14 Pilot (Democracy is a process not a product)
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To: Doofer
Does anyone really expect this number or is just wishful thinking?

It could be that number but a great many will be professional protesters and paid actors. It is an old tactic with these groups.

15 posted on 09/24/2005 1:35:17 AM PDT by msnimje (Hurricane KATRINA - An Example of Nature's Enforcement of Eminent Domain)
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To: F14 Pilot
Frightening. Wesley Clark said something that made sense (concerning the immediate pulling of the troops and the mess that would cause).

Perhaps there's hope for him yet... .... nah, but I can be optimistic, can I?
16 posted on 09/24/2005 1:35:54 AM PDT by John from Camden (WYSI(NA)WYG)
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To: wildcatf4f3

Clark was on O'Reilly last night. He came across as a mealy mouthed moron. He said that Sheehan is just a grieving mother, she has no agenda. Sheesh!


17 posted on 09/24/2005 1:38:00 AM PDT by raisincane (Dims think we're all oblivious to the obvious)
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To: F14 Pilot
In another era:

On Friday, Sheehan appeared on a Congressional Black Caucus breakfast panel with General Wesley Clark, the former Army commander and presidential hopeful, who was there to address the issue of whether the U.S. can win the war in Germany.

We're involved in a war that we didn't have to fight. That's the simple truth, Clark said. Now it's in trouble, deep trouble. I wish it was just as simple as saying, Mr. President, you made a mistake, get those troops out now."

The trouble is, he continued, that the Nazi extremists really do want to attack us. Getting out of Germany Clark said the anti-war movement should demand that Roosevelt establish a regional dialog with other Nazi states, including people we don't like, like Italy and Japan, and focus on changing the minds and cutting off the recruiting of those now blowing up tanks and buses in France.

We need to turn off the flow of weapons and fighters going into France and turn off the invective and fears and create a climate where the Europeans don't need to fight each other, he said. And then we can come home.

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It was all too much for Carlos Arredondo of Roslindale, Massachusetts, who lost his 20-year-old son in France. He ran up to the podium holding a hand-lettered IMPEACH sign.

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At this, Charles Rangel, the moderator, stepped in: I've been here 35 years, and I know impeachment when I see it, said the New York congressman. If the president knew there were no Nazi nuclear bomb and knew there was no connection between Tojo and Adolph Hitler, and if the president knew the Germans were not involved in the attack on Pearl Harbor and still allowed our nation to believe that we had to invade Germany for it, then I'm a lawyer and a former federal prosecutor, and these are impeachable offenses, he said, to a burst of applause from the audience.

When it was her turn to speak, Sheehan stuck to her demand that we get out now. Yes, there are people who want to kill us. But they want to kill us because we're killing innocent Germans and Italians," she said. "I'm afraid we're creating enemies that are going to endanger my grandchildren. That's why I do what I do.

"Right now they're spending billions of dollars building military bases in Germany the size of Sacramento," Sheehan continued. "If there?s one thing we as a peace movement have to agree on, it's that we have to get out of Germany now, as soon as possible, because these maniacs plan on our children never coming home."

18 posted on 09/24/2005 1:39:16 AM PDT by BigBobber
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To: raisincane
This is a little story from I kept about Clinton firing Clark,

"To say Clark was unpopular among his fellow officers in the military is an understatement.
As he rapidly rose through the ranks, he was widely regarded as a champion brown-noser and know-it-all, a sort of Eddie Haskell in Army green.
In conversation with friends, Colin Powell would privately put down General Clark as "Lieutenant Colonel Clark" i.e., a perpetual eager-beaver wanna-be. Some officers questioned his judgment.
Talking to a high-ranking Clinton administration official, Gen. Hugh Shelton, the former chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff who engineered Clark's firing, bluntly referred to Clark as a "nut."

But the Clinton/Clark camp tells us that we're supposed to believe that kind of thing had no effect whatsoever on President Clinton's decision to remove Gen. Clark from his NATO command.
19 posted on 09/24/2005 1:41:34 AM PDT by msnimje (Hurricane KATRINA - An Example of Nature's Enforcement of Eminent Domain)
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20 posted on 09/24/2005 1:42:09 AM PDT by monkapotamus
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