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1 posted on 09/23/2005 9:52:11 AM PDT by slowhand520
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To: slowhand520
I think both are partly true. I do agree that Bush should look at the 'pork' spending and announce that these items cannot be funded due to the current crises, and those who don't like it just need to get over it. Most of us have been a little irked over the 'pork' in the budget...which didn't come about just on "W's" watch. It has been something that has been in the works for decades, ever since Congress has worked "full-time" at being lawmakers, instead of the original idea of serving so may days per month/year.
2 posted on 09/23/2005 9:59:15 AM PDT by Shery (S. H. in APOland)
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To: slowhand520

Bush is pretty unpopular right now (and its well-deserved) but neither he nor the Republicans are in any trouble because the Democrats are...well...the Democrats

The party of Ted "the Swimmer" Kennedy, Joe "The Dumbest Man in the Senate" Biden, Harry Reid, Howard Dean, Nancy Pelosi...I mean...its hard to believe these would be the leaders of even a fringe leftist party...much less one of the two major parties


3 posted on 09/23/2005 10:03:21 AM PDT by Irontank (Let them revere nothing but religion, morality and liberty -- John Adams)
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The Washington GOP establishment may have problems, but are the Dems offering?


4 posted on 09/23/2005 10:04:01 AM PDT by bobjam
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To: slowhand520

NRO is often "stuck on stupid"


5 posted on 09/23/2005 10:07:54 AM PDT by gumboyaya
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Reasons:
1.) Failure to secure the borders in war time.
2.) PC approach to war with the moose limbs.
3.) Great Society approach to domestic spending.

All stemming from:

Need for press approval rather than true leadership.


6 posted on 09/23/2005 10:10:37 AM PDT by caddie
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To: slowhand520

Bush numbers won't affect the 2006 elections per Michael Barrone. So who cares if his numbers are low?

Weren't Reagan's at 39 once?



7 posted on 09/23/2005 10:15:30 AM PDT by BushisTheMan
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Eliminate the corporate welfare boondoggle. If we're going to help the poor, the rich can afford their own toys out of their own pockets. No reason for Uncle Sam to be subsidizing them for doing what they'd do on their own in the first place.

(Denny Crane: "Sometimes you can only look for answers from God and failing that... and Fox News".)
9 posted on 09/23/2005 10:19:28 AM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives On In My Heart Forever)
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I think it's time for a war within the Republican party. The spending is beyond outrageous.


10 posted on 09/23/2005 10:22:29 AM PDT by manwiththehands
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The Republicans will be unable to make real cuts and in the end will allow the DUmmycrats to have their way on future tax reduction efforts. If they can't even trim the pork or postpone the prescription thing (which most geezers didn't want in the first place), they will only fiddle around the edges as the deficits grow. That's my view. See more on Republican thoughts below:

GOP group calls for cuts in federal retirees' benefits to fund Katrina relief: http://www.govexec.com/dailyfed/0905/092205r1.htm

A group of Republican House members called Wednesday for cuts to some federal retirees' benefits to help offset the cost of Hurricane Katrina recovery.

The House Republican Study Committee released a package of recommendations known as "Operation Offset" Wednesday that called for calculating retirement annuities for federal employees based on an average of their five highest-earning years of service. Currently, employees' annuities are based on a high three-year average. Adding two years of lower pay would tend to decrease the average, and thus reduce retirees' defined benefits.

The Republican Study Committee, headed up by Rep. Mike Pence, R-Ind., is made up of about 100 House Republicans who push conservative social and economic policies. The RSC said it estimates the change in retirement calculations would save $5.2 billion over ten years.

The RSC also recommended lowering the government subsidy for some federal retirees who participate in the Federal Employees Health Benefits plan. RSC members said they want to "reduce health benefits for new retirees who had relatively short federal careers, although it would preserve their right to stay in the program." Currently, the government pays for 72 percent of all participants' premiums, regardless of the length of their federal careers.

According to a Congressional Budget Office analysis, under the proposal backed by the RSC, "the government's share of premium costs would be cut by two percentage points for every year of service less than 30. In the case of a retiree with 20 years of service, for example, the government's contribution would decline from 72 percent of the weighted average premium to 52 percent."

Charles Fallis, president of the National Active and Retired Federal Employees Association, said the proposals are insulting to federal employees.

"Not only would these proposals dishonor the government's obligation to its workers, but it also makes public service a much harder sell," Fallis said.

National Treasury Employees Union President Colleen Kelley echoed Fallis' sentiments.

"This is a deeply flawed proposal that falls disproportionately on the backs of those who can least likely afford it," Kelley said.

The RSC placed the retirement benefits proposals, which were only two among dozens of cost-saving suggestions, under the title "Tough Choices in Tough Times" in its report.

The entire package of RSC spending-cut proposals, which total $500 billion, has generated friction within the House Republican Conference, lawmakers and aides said Wednesday.

"The leadership has said repeatedly that we are willing to look at offsets that make sense," a GOP leadership aide said. "But what they are offering is just not realistic."

Most of what conservatives are advocating in "Operation Offset" is a rehash of policies fiscal conservatives have long trumpeted -- funding cuts for NASA and the Corporation for Public Broadcasting, eliminating so-called pork in the highway bill, cutting subsidies for Amtrak, and reining in foreign aid, among others.

Still other politically untenable proposals -- such as postponing the Medicare prescription drug program for one year -- have some members concerned that conservatives are "giving ammunition" to Democrats to attack them on the already politically sensitive issue heading into the 2006 election cycle.

"We need to be focusing on our fiscal record right now," the aide said.


11 posted on 09/23/2005 10:22:53 AM PDT by Cautor
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I tend to agree with National Review. Not that conservatives need to be in trouble, but we are so fractured, and let's face it, many of our friends are ignorant as stones, we won't be able to coalesce into a real, effective, majority party anytime soon. Not without more conservatives getting up to speed on the issues.

That might even mean Republicans losing the next few general elections. Do not discount the ability of democrats to gather their base with with hardly anything more than a catchy slogan and a few widespread lies.

13 posted on 09/23/2005 10:26:55 AM PDT by Designer (Just a nit-pick'n and chagrin'n)
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Republican Study Committee Budget Options (rev 9/22/05):
http://johnshadegg.house.gov/rsc/RSC_Budget_Options_2005.pdf

worth a look


15 posted on 09/23/2005 10:33:42 AM PDT by Cautor
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The Reagan analogy is very apt. NRO is stuffed with inside-the-beltway pundits and "thinkers" without any real, discernable contacts within the administration. I refer here to the many pessimists who've been clogging "The Corner" with grim predictions of doom and hysterical hand-wringing over things like gas prices and Katrina. I mean, some of their stuff during the Katrina aftermath was just pathetic. Weak-sister stuff. Embarrasing.

Well, many of the wise old heads of the GOP got hysterical and gas-baggish over some of the stuff that happened during the Reagan administration. The point is this: the NRO-nics are establishment DC pundits. Take that into account when reading them. They expect to be around long after Bush retires to Crawford. They have other agendas and interests other than the success of any one Administration.

What's frustrating to me about this early second term criticism and quasi-abandonment of Bush is that it comes at a time when real accomplishments are very attainable.

I mean, read the mil-blogs and others and its apparent that real progress is being made in Iraq in terms of training the Iraqi security forces to hold their own and allow the US to draw down forces. Folks, that's HUGE.

In addition, the destruction in NOLA gives the President a chance to try conservative solutions to deeply entrenched issues like poverty, illiteracy and housing. Solutions that, if tried, will succeed and offer convincing proofs of the superiority of the GOP domestic agenda.

Finally, Bush is coming through on his pledge to nominate conservative jurists to the Supreme Court and conservatives stand at the cusp of finally achieving a long dreamed of goal: returning sanity to constitutional jurisprudence.

Bush has made many mistakes and one things sure: he's no Reagan. But this Administration needs defending against the leftist hordes, not sniping from the right flank. And certainly not the shrill hysteria that the likes of Rod Dreher, J-Pod and even Malkin served up over Katrina. I'm with Rush and the Blogs.


17 posted on 09/23/2005 10:48:26 AM PDT by borkrules
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"The Rush Limbaugh view - Everything is going to be OK Bush is being "misunderestimated" again

The National Review opinion - Bush & Conservatives in trouble

Curious to know What the freepers think and where you stand?"

Put me down in column two.

Some of Bush's problems are well documented in your column.
Add the breach of his oath of office (to uphold the constitution) when he signed the Campaign Finance Bill to the list.
Add the increase to great society programs like a latter day LBJ.
Add his campaigning for Specter instead of Toomey in the PA Senate race.
On a personal note as a Republican candidate for the state legislature - unwillinginess to share a stage with local and congressional (non-incumbent) candidates during political events.
Add his failure (again) to uphold his oath with regard to securing our borders against illegals (aliens and terrorists).

Yes, you can put me down as disappointed with President Bush. This was one of those "hold my nose" and vote for the lesser of two evils elections.


18 posted on 09/23/2005 10:49:29 AM PDT by Retired COB (Still mad about Campaign Finance Reform)
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National Review puts great sock in John McCain. Rush thinks McCain's a tool waiting for a use...sort of like that strange screwdriver in your grandfather's tool box that nobody would tell you about.

I vote Rush.

23 posted on 09/23/2005 5:07:14 PM PDT by Cyber Liberty (© 2005, Ravin' Lunatic since 4/98)
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