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To: Alamo-Girl

> the chief objection to the theory of evolution is not so much complexity (such as irreducible complexity v Kolmogorov v self-organizing etc.) - as it is that “randomness” cannot be the prime factor in the formulation

If that's the chief objection... it's a pretty lame one. Hard to believe that anyone with a basic scientific education would buy into the Creationist bunkum. Oh, wait... ahrdly anyone with a basic scientific education *does* buy into it.

>Gerald Schroeder points out that a typical protein is a chain of 300 amino acids and that there are 20 common amino acids in life which means that that the number of possible combinations for the protein would be 20^300 or 10^390.
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> That is, of course, absurd.

Yes, it is. His math is silly and ridiculous.

> because we as yet do not have a full explanation for space/time and energy/matter – it is impossible to say that what we presume is randomness (for instance at the quantum level) is actually random in the system.

Freshman-level stoned philosophy major hogwash.


20 posted on 09/22/2005 9:37:58 PM PDT by orionblamblam ("You're the poster boy for what ID would turn out if it were taught in our schools." VadeRetro)
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To: orionblamblam
me: because we as yet do not have a full explanation for space/time and energy/matter – it is impossible to say that what we presume is randomness (for instance at the quantum level) is actually random in the system.

you: Freshman-level stoned philosophy major hogwash.

Would you care to discuss the physics?

And on combination v Bayesian probability - and the various types of complexity, would you care to discuss the math?

22 posted on 09/22/2005 9:42:31 PM PDT by Alamo-Girl
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To: orionblamblam

I've been a nuclear reactor operator for a number of years. A bunch of my friends are also ROs, and several, not all of course, accept ID. So are we just a bunch of "hardly-s"?


52 posted on 09/23/2005 8:38:51 AM PDT by In veno, veritas
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To: orionblamblam; Alamo-Girl
[Schroeder's] math is silly and ridiculous.

In what way, orionblamblam?

78 posted on 09/23/2005 11:14:08 AM PDT by betty boop (Nature loves to hide. -- Heraclitus)
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