[GoLightly]

But I feel very strongly about the scientific method, and that is the very spot the CS/ID folks are hitting. On a thread just today I couldn't get one of these folks to see something as simple as tree-ring dating--and that involves just simple counting! Its not even close to theory or hypothesis, just simple counting. That is what has me worried.

Consider, there is a high probability that the majority of those you are at odds with (in these FR discussions) have been exposed to the type of science education you think is necessary & valuable to further our society. Despite years of students being taught the scientific method, many students somehow escaped learning it, including many who hold your position about evolution. Ask your tree-ring dating denier if (s)he had been exposed to the scientific method in school.

[Coyoteman]

But I feel very strongly about the scientific method, and that is the very spot the CS/ID folks are hitting. On a thread just today I couldn't get one of these folks to see something as simple as tree-ring dating--and that involves just simple counting! Its not even close to theory or hypothesis, just simple counting. That is what has me worried.

Consider, there is a high probability that the majority of those you are at odds with (in these FR discussions) have been exposed to the type of science education you think is necessary & valuable to further our society. Despite years of students being taught the scientific method, many students somehow escaped learning it, including many who hold your position about evolution. Ask your tree-ring dating denier if (s)he had been exposed to the scientific method in school.

I don't care who is trashing the scientific method. I don't think it will stand this country in good stead in the long run.

We already get a huge portion of our Ph.D.s in the hard sciences from other countries.

But we seem to produce a lot of Ph.D.s in the 'fuzzy' sciences from our own population. This will come back to haunt us.