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Able Danger: Where's the Common Sense?
The National Ledger ^ | 9-21-05 | Frank Salvato

Posted on 09/22/2005 4:27:27 PM PDT by Coastal

Washington DC, a city that thrives on partisan politics, power plays and the satisfaction derived from the downfall of others. In this city cooperation is about as rare as a MoveOn.org fundraiser featuring Michael Moore without a deprecating comment about President Bush. But sometimes, even in our nation’s capitol, the pettiness of partisan politics needs to be set aside, if not for the good of the country, then to secure our very existence. Such is the case with the probe into Able Danger.

Able Danger was a secret military intelligence team charged with data-mining terror threats to the United States. Two military officers affiliated with the project, Army Lt. Col. Anthony Shaffer and Navy Capt. Scott Phillpott, have come forward with claims that the US military identified four September 11 hijackers more than a year before the 2001 attacks. This identification incorporated a chart that not only made reference to Mohamed Atta but included his picture. Since Shaffer and Phillpott’s declaration the Pentagon has announced that three more people recall seeing the chart prior to the September 11 attacks.

These revelations incited a plethora of calls for a congressional investigation into whether information that could have prevented the attacks of September 11 was mismanaged, went unheeded or both.

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TOPICS: Government; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: abledanger; atta
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1 posted on 09/22/2005 4:27:28 PM PDT by Coastal
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To: Coastal

Hey Coastal, this makes me go postal.


2 posted on 09/22/2005 4:30:02 PM PDT by Lancey Howard
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To: Lancey Howard

:)

I thought he did a good job of laying it out.


3 posted on 09/22/2005 4:33:13 PM PDT by Coastal
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To: Lancey Howard
Time for the DOD to take a deep breath and fess up.
4 posted on 09/22/2005 4:36:50 PM PDT by pointsal
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To: Baynative
[ What ever happened to: "If you are not with us, you are against us"? ]

A causuality of; "I'm a Unite'er not a Divide'er"... you know, the Sandy Burgular Syndrome..

6 posted on 09/22/2005 4:48:34 PM PDT by hosepipe (This propaganda has been ok'ed by me to included some fully orbed hyperbole....)
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To: Coastal

Fax, call, or write your Congress critter. Tell them you want the truth.


7 posted on 09/22/2005 4:50:23 PM PDT by bmwcyle (We broke Pink's Code and found a terrorist message)
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To: Coastal
the information acquired during data-mining is sensitive, classified and in most cases top secret.

I thought the info was public, the way they put it together was classified.

Why won't the senate commission have closed hearings to start off? Is it obstruction if that's what Rumsfeld asked for, but when he didn't get it he didn't participate in the open hearings? This doesn't need to be a ego-boosting show, this needs to be of deadly seriousness. There needs to be some cooperation on both sides.

Didn't the DOD or Pentagon say there were more people who came forward before we knew they came forward?

8 posted on 09/22/2005 5:22:37 PM PDT by eyespysomething ("The Constitution is the court's taskmaster and it's Congress' taskmaster as well" John G. Roberts)
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To: bmwcyle

Sandy the Burgler had his sentence finalized under the cover of Katrina-mania. Perhaps a rug will be dropped over the AD sweepings during Rita-mania. Just a thought.


9 posted on 09/22/2005 6:25:17 PM PDT by Roccus (I've been called a romantic cynic. Also a cynical romantic.)
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To: Roccus

Up to now, Abledanger has been merely a tropical depression.

But remember—the climate of 2005 breeds monster hurricanes.


10 posted on 09/22/2005 7:06:12 PM PDT by reasonisfaith
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To: Baynative
What ever happened to: "If you are not with us, you are against us"?

Let's hope the Bush-Clinton merger only applies to Senior's disaster escapades with Srick Weery.
11 posted on 09/22/2005 7:07:52 PM PDT by Das Outsider (Contact your Congressman and Senators today about the Able Danger investigation.)
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To: Coastal
The very thought that the Clinton swine knew the terrorists were here and did nothing makes my blood boil.

What's worse is the thought that after 9/11 the maggots in Washington can't bring themselves to come clean about any of it.

12 posted on 09/22/2005 7:37:35 PM PDT by Reactionary
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To: Lancey Howard

I am bringing the whole article on site here as I see no reason not to.

Able Danger: Where's the Common Sense?
By Frank Salvato
Sep 22, 2005

Washington DC, a city that thrives on partisan politics, power plays and the satisfaction derived from the downfall of others. In this city cooperation is about as rare as a MoveOn.org fundraiser featuring Michael Moore without a deprecating comment about President Bush. But sometimes, even in our nation’s capitol, the pettiness of partisan politics needs to be set aside, if not for the good of the country, then to secure our very existence. Such is the case with the probe into Able Danger.

Able Danger was a secret military intelligence team charged with data-mining terror threats to the United States. Two military officers affiliated with the project, Army Lt. Col. Anthony Shaffer and Navy Capt. Scott Phillpott, have come forward with claims that the US military identified four September 11 hijackers more than a year before the 2001 attacks. This identification incorporated a chart that not only made reference to Mohamed Atta but included his picture. Since Shaffer and Phillpott’s declaration the Pentagon has announced that three more people recall seeing the chart prior to the September 11 attacks.

These revelations incited a plethora of calls for a congressional investigation into whether information that could have prevented the attacks of September 11 was mismanaged, went unheeded or both.

On September 21 of this year, the Senate Judiciary Committee initiated open hearings into the issue of Able Danger, what they knew, when they knew it and to whom they conveyed their knowledge.

Set to testify before the committee were military intelligence officers and analysts involved in the Able Danger project, including Shaffer and Phillpott. These analysts used powerful computers to sift through public data in search of intelligence clues. This process is referred to as data-mining. Arguably, the information acquired during data-mining is sensitive, classified and in most cases top secret.

In light of the fact that the 9/11 Commission’s report omitted Able Danger entirely, Shaffer has said publicly that members of the team tried to pass the information they had uncovered about Atta and other 9/11 murderers to the FBI several times in September 2000. Two more members of the team have come forward to validate Shaffer’s claims.

In response to the committee’s request for testimony the Defense Department barred this slate of witnesses from testifying at the hearings citing the sensitive nature of the material in question. The only testimony given outlined how the Pentagon is squeamish about intelligence containing information on US citizens and the timetable used to destroy such information. There was nothing mentioned about Mohamed Atta, data-mining or Able Danger.

Defense Secretary Rumsfeld issued a statement saying that the Pentagon offered to hold a classified briefing on Able Danger to accommodate the Senate Judiciary Committee’s inquiries but refused to entertain the idea of participating in an “open hearing on a classified matter.”

Arlen Specter (R-PA), chairman of the Senate Judiciary Committee, responded by saying, "That looks to me like it may be obstruction of the committee's activities, something we will have to determine."

Considering the sensitive nature of the information involved and the secret nature of the vehicle used to acquire the information, it is remarkable that a congressional committee would make such a poor choice of a venue for their inquiry. The choice of an open hearing effectively mandated redacted testimony, so much so that instead of hearing testimony into what may have very likely been serious intelligence communications mismanagement, the committee was met with a “wall of silence.”

I understand the cautionary tone with which the Pentagon is approaching this matter. It would be criminal to compromise what little clandestine intelligence we have in place considering the destruction our intelligence community underwent in the 1990s. While transparency in government is preferred, safeguarding the things that keep us safe makes a great deal of sense. Perhaps that’s why many in Washington and the mainstream media have a hard time grasping the notion.

The fact that such data existed before the attacks of September 11th and that nothing was done to thwart Atta’s actions is disturbing. So too is the fact that the September 11th Commission was more of a dog and pony show used to protect political legacies than to identify weaknesses in our intelligence system, a system meant to safeguard the American public from terrorist generated slaughter. But to think that testimony regarding critical information on the slaughter of over 3000 Americans is being obstructed because some politico didn’t have the sense to schedule a closed hearing instead of an open one is infuriating.

In the end the most important thing is to fix and refine our intelligence process so that Americans can feel safe about going to work, whether in Chicago’s Sears Tower or any of the myriad buildings that al Qaeda and the other cretins of the terror world salivate over destroying. Scheduling an open congressional hearing knowing full well that classified information cannot be shared in such a venue isn’t facilitating the refinement of our national intelligence process; it facilitates the continuation of an inept political process.

Government works at the competency level of the lowest common denominator. It validates the theory about the weakest link, be it at the federal, state, county or municipal level. But this issue is too important to settle for the ineptness of the political status quo. Our very existence could very well depend on it.

Frank Salvato is the managing editor for www.TheRant.us. He serves at the Executive Director of the Basics Project, a non-profit, non-partisan, socio-political education project


13 posted on 09/22/2005 7:52:22 PM PDT by strategofr (What did happen to those 293 boxes of secret FBI files (esp on Senators) Hillary stole?)
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"The fact that such data existed before the attacks of September 11th and that nothing was done to thwart Atta’s actions is disturbing. So too is the fact that the September 11th Commission was more of a dog and pony show used to protect political legacies than to identify weaknesses in our intelligence system, a system meant to safeguard the American public from terrorist generated slaughter. But to think that testimony regarding critical information on the slaughter of over 3000 Americans is being obstructed because some politico didn’t have the sense to schedule a closed hearing instead of an open one is infuriating."

Maybe he's right. Maybe Specter is screwing us again.


14 posted on 09/22/2005 7:53:11 PM PDT by strategofr (What did happen to those 293 boxes of secret FBI files (esp on Senators) Hillary stole?)
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"Maybe he's right. Maybe Specter is screwing us again."

On the other hand, there is definately a Pentagon cover up going on. What we want to know is who ordered these actions that allowed 9/11 to happen and later covered up the evidence. I don't belive the essence of both, or either answers has to do with classified info about intelligence gathering techniques.


15 posted on 09/22/2005 7:56:52 PM PDT by strategofr (What did happen to those 293 boxes of secret FBI files (esp on Senators) Hillary stole?)
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To: Coastal

I thought so too and I still feel betrayed.


16 posted on 09/23/2005 12:45:33 AM PDT by gadgethead
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To: Coastal

Bump


17 posted on 09/23/2005 1:07:16 AM PDT by leadpenny
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To: strategofr; All
Something is wrong or Weldon would not have gone as ballistic as he has. We need the full truth of Able Danger to come out and we will know when the full truth is out when Kurt Weldon tells us it's all out and not until.

He(Weldon) did not ask for all this he got into this because Shaffer wanted to restart the data mining project aka Able Danger.To get funding Shaffer had to explain what AD was and what had transpired. When he did Weldon went nuts(and he should have IMHO) and today we have a massive investigation. There are still a few congress critters that actually care about wrong and right.
18 posted on 09/23/2005 4:20:28 AM PDT by rodguy911 (Time to get rid of the UN and the ACLU and all Mosques in the US,UK.)
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"We need the full truth of Able Danger to come out and we will know when the full truth is out when Kurt Weldon tells us it's all out and not until."

I agree with this and everything you've said. Unfortunately, we could not have an immediate break yesterday as I was hoping. This dampens my high spirits a bit. There's only one question now. Will the cover-up succeed or won't it?

I was listening to Laura Ingram on the radio this morning.(I believe it was her last night show, rebroadcast.) she had George Will on and asked him some Able Danger questions. It was interesting, even though his answers were quite cover-up like and worthless. it was interesting that Laura Ingram, while not having anyone on who would say anything real about Able Danger, still felt the need to do some CYO so she could say, "I addressed Able Danger.


19 posted on 09/23/2005 9:05:57 AM PDT by strategofr (What did happen to those 293 boxes of secret FBI files (esp on Senators) Hillary stole?)
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To: strategofr
Don't lose faith.You can worry when JimRob takes AD off the important list at the top of all the threads and hopefully that ain't gonna happen anytime soon.

Many of the talkies know that we are source material(Rush call it show prep) for many broadcasters and print media as well. They don't want to be scooped. Plus they know there are a lot of freepers out there and they, and the sight, have excellent reputations.

Basically at least some in the media know not to mess with fr.
20 posted on 09/23/2005 11:07:06 AM PDT by rodguy911 (Time to get rid of the UN and the ACLU and all Mosques in the US,UK.)
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