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"Recognizing the same traits in President Bush is not deifying him either. No one here deifies him. Many of us..........the VAST majority of us who are conservatives on this forum, recognize his great leadership and vision. A small minority, including you, do not see what is there.

He is a great conservative GOP leader, a statesman, a problem solver, a visionary, and an inspiration."

Then help me see what YOU see...

Dubya "leads" when the issues are foreign; And conversely "follows" when the issues are domestic.

Does a true "conservative" let CFR slide through his hands without a veto?

Does a true "conservative" allow the massive Mexican invasion to continue unabated -- especially after 9/11?

Does a true conservative over-spend on social programs?

Does a true conservative grow the government?

Does a true conservative back the liberal Arlen Specter over a conservative Pat Toomey in a tight Senatorial race?

The man NEVER vetos anything, and NEVER uses the bully pulpit to lead HIS agenda (and if you can enlighten me, just what was his domestic agenda?)

"And would you stop obssessing over Clinton? Sheesh! His being used as a fundraiser doesn't mean squat in terms of Bush's leadership ability. Good GRIEF!"

How can we? It's an embarrassment on so many levels...

Why honor a man who besides being his "credentials" as an impeached rapist, has besmirched and defiled the office of the Presidency, and led America into a vortex of shame??

NO "fundraising" was worth Dubya giving Bubba a public platform.

Does a true "conservative" let CFR slide through his hands without a veto?
Does a true "conservative" allow the massive Mexican invasion to continue unabated -- especially after 9/11?
Does a true conservative over-spend on social programs?
Does a true conservative grow the government?

Does a true conservative back the liberal Arlen Specter over a conservative Pat Toomey in a tight Senatorial race?

This is interesting, F16, because I disagree with what the President has done on almost all of these issues.

What you are demanding is that everything the President does is agreeable to all conservatives for him to be called a conservative by you.

On the other hand, I do not expect more of President Bush than I did of President Reagan, and know that it is not possible for a man to be President and stay conservative in every single decision. Sometimes compromises are made. Sometimes mistakes are made (big miscalculations, like CFR).

The difference between us doesn't seem to be so much in our political views, but in our expectations of what a human being who has an inordinate amount of pressure on him from all sides, can realistically do.

For me, the strength of the military, and American sovereignty abroad, the protection of this country against terror, the strong, unflagging stand on moral issues, and the incredible moves toward Constitution-honoring judges, more than compensate for the signing of CFR.

This is a conservative President. In the same sense as Reagan was......wherever it was possible, but not perfectly so. And in my view, conservatives who openly fight against him, are hurting the conservative cause by splintering and whining and criticizing when we should be supporting him against an extremely evil political foe.

I choose to fight the left. You choose to fight the President.

Just want to agree with you on your post.

Reagan was THE leader of conservative movement in the country from 1968-1980. During this time -and while he was President - the press, the liberal establishment, and the all RINOs (including Ford and Bush Sr.) attacked him as a "Right-wing extremist". People under 40 don't realize the crap he had to take from the RINO's and the liberal press. There was no Rush Limbaugh or Internet. People like Dan Rather were attacking him every day.

He had to fight almost singlehanded to get his program through. He made mistakes but most of them were do to people giving him bad advise (like Stockman and Don Regan), or the Democrats in congress forcing him to adopt bad polices. If Reagan had been given the support Bush has - He NEVER would have raised taxes.

GWB was accepted by most conservatives in 2000 - because thats the best we could do - the only alternate was McCrazy - whose love affair with the liberal press has never ended.