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To: Thatcherite
The falsity of the Bible probably isn't the conclusion that Elsie would like us to draw.

I'm sorry; I didn't write it; but I think most CAN read it!


2 Peter 3:15-17

15Bear in mind that our Lord's patience means salvation, just as our dear brother Paul also wrote you with the wisdom that God gave him. 16He writes the same way in all his letters, speaking in them of these matters. His letters contain some things that are hard to understand, which ignorant and unstable people distort, as they do the other Scriptures, to their own destruction.

    17Therefore, dear friends, since you already know this, be on your guard so that you may not be carried away by the error of lawless men and fall from your secure position.


 

The question is:

 

Who is the ignorant here?  Elsie, or someone else?



2 Corinthians 1:12-14 

    12Now this is our boast: Our conscience testifies that we have conducted ourselves in the world, and especially in our relations with you, in the holiness and sincerity that are from God. We have done so not according to worldly wisdom but according to God's grace. 13For we do not write you anything you cannot read or understand. And I hope that, 14as you have understood us in part, you will come to understand fully that you can boast of us just as we will boast of you in the day of the Lord Jesus.

 
1 Corinthians 2:14
The man without the Spirit does not accept the things that come from the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him, and he cannot understand them, because they are spiritually discerned.

935 posted on 09/22/2005 6:27:40 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going....)
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To: Elsie
I am afraid I don't understand how your Biblical quotes address the point that I made. You have insisted previously (correct me if I am wrong) that the Bible and evolution are necessarily contradictory. When you do this my conclusion is that the Bible is false since I know from reason that evolution is true. Quoting from the Bible is unlikely to affect this conclusion. One of the fathers of the church, St Augustine said the following,

Usually, even a non-Christian knows something about the earth, the heavens, and the other elements of this world, about the motion and orbit of the stars and even their size and relative positions, about the predictable eclipses of the sun and moon, the cycles of the years and seasons, about the kinds of animals, shrubs, stones, and so forth, and this knowledge he holds to as being certain from reason and experience. Now, it is a disgraceful and dangerous thing for an infidel to hear a Christian, presumably giving the meaning of Holy Scripture, talking nonsense on these topics; and we should take all means to prevent such an embarrassing situation, in which people show up vast ignorance in a Christian and laugh it to scorn.

Those words were written 1600 years ago. I couldn't have put it better myself. The church could have avoided vast embarrassment with Galileo and Copernicus by heeding Augustine's words. It can avoid that embarrassment now too.

1,095 posted on 09/23/2005 1:26:13 PM PDT by Thatcherite (Conservative and Biblical Literalist are not synonymous)
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