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Human stem cells allow paralysed mice to walk again (cells came from aborted babies)
The Guardian ^ | 9/20/2005 | Ian Sample

Posted on 09/19/2005 9:07:50 PM PDT by Ronzo

Scientists have used injections of human stem cells to heal spinal injuries in paralysed mice, allowing them to walk normally again.

The research, which was funded by the Christopher Reeve Paralysis Foundation, suggests that stem cells could be used to repair spinal damage in people who have suffered damaging accidents or disease, although further studies, including safety tests, are needed before the treatment can go into human trials.

Neuroscientist Aileen Anderson and her team at the Reeve-Irvine Research Centre at the University of California, Irvine, used stem cells taken from the neural tissue of aborted foetuses. When injected into the body, they can develop into any type of nervous tissue.

(Excerpt) Read more at guardian.co.uk ...


TOPICS: Culture/Society; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: abortion; cultureofdeath; geneticcannibalism; mice; paralysed; paralysis; stemcells
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Even though were only talking mice here, this is absolutely amazing!

But it's a shame that had to use aborted baby stem cells...wonder if they'd get the same results with adult cells?

1 posted on 09/19/2005 9:07:51 PM PDT by Ronzo
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Why would you inject human cells into mice???


This is questionable stuff.

I am pro stem cell research, but this strikes me as very odd at least, and more likely political plant.


2 posted on 09/19/2005 9:10:15 PM PDT by LesbianThespianGymnasticMidget (If con is the opposite of pro, is Congress the opposite of progress?)
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From what I've been reading, they already have. Certain Portuguese and South Korean experiments have had excellent results with real live crippled humans using their own adult stem cells (from the bone marrow, I believe).


3 posted on 09/19/2005 9:10:56 PM PDT by sinanju
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...wonder if they'd get the same results with adult cells?

Or the cells from cord blood? I've heard the results are more favorable with cord blood than embyonic cells?

4 posted on 09/19/2005 9:12:50 PM PDT by kstewskis ("I don't know what I know, but I know that it's big".....Jerry Fletcher)
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What better use of useless human life than to make mice paralyzed by scientists walk again?
I mean, it is not like the fetus could have grown into a scientist who could cure paralysis or anything.
5 posted on 09/19/2005 9:13:03 PM PDT by msnimje (Cogito Ergo Sum Republican)
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To: LesbianThespianGymnasticMidget
I am pro stem cell research, but this strikes me as very odd at least, and more likely political plant.

Seems a tad odd to me as well.

Perhaps we should use mouse stem cells in humans.

6 posted on 09/19/2005 9:13:38 PM PDT by konaice
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To: LesbianThespianGymnasticMidget
I am pro stem cell research, but this strikes me as very odd at least, and more likely political plant.

An interesting point...but this is no "political plant"...another article from the Wash. Post goes into more detail, and explains there are companies wanting to inject humans with (human) stem cells within the next nine months:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/09/19/AR2005091901365.html

7 posted on 09/19/2005 9:14:23 PM PDT by Ronzo (Help restore decency in Ameria...hug a Democrat.)
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To: msnimje

No, once it's aborted, a fetus doesn't usually grow into much of anything.


8 posted on 09/19/2005 9:16:59 PM PDT by altura
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To: konaice
I for one will be the first to bow to our formerly crippled new mouse overlords. < bfg>


... The thing that strikes me is that Chimeran rejection would be a certainty. Cross species transplantation just isn't realistic. This thing smells like crap and likely is.
9 posted on 09/19/2005 9:17:16 PM PDT by LesbianThespianGymnasticMidget (If con is the opposite of pro, is Congress the opposite of progress?)
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Cross species injections? No No No... My point is that if human cells would work in mice, would not the reverse be true. (I know better) This is complete crap.


10 posted on 09/19/2005 9:18:54 PM PDT by LesbianThespianGymnasticMidget (If con is the opposite of pro, is Congress the opposite of progress?)
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To: altura
No, once it's aborted, a fetus doesn't usually grow into much of anything.

Yep, that is my understanding also.

11 posted on 09/19/2005 9:19:06 PM PDT by msnimje (Cogito Ergo Sum Republican)
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To: sinanju
From a similar article in today's Washington Post:

Earlier this year, Hans Keirstead and his colleagues, also at the University of California at Irvine, reported that rats with disabling spinal injuries could walk nearly normally again after getting injections with human embryonic, rather than fetal, cells developed by Geron Corp. of Menlo Park, Calif.

Those cells were initially harvested from days-old human embryos and then cultivated under special laboratory conditions that forced them to become immature oligodendrocytes. Once injected into injured spinal cords, the cells matured and wrapped themselves around injured neurons, which often lose those natural coverings as a result of injury-induced inflammation, leaving even intact neurons unable to function properly.

How does one "harvest" days old cells from a human embroyo? It this embroyo something they grew in a petri dish in the lab?

12 posted on 09/19/2005 9:20:39 PM PDT by Ronzo (Help restore decency in Ameria...hug a Democrat.)
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"Perhaps we should use mouse stem cells in humans."
Speaking of mice and men... how do you think did we end up with RATs?
13 posted on 09/19/2005 9:23:56 PM PDT by GSlob
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Would it not make more sence to use mouse embryonic cells, and not human. This is complete crap and a political plant. Human cells would be rejected by the mouse. It has an imune system after all.

THIS IS COMPLETE CRAP AND UNTRUE


14 posted on 09/19/2005 9:24:59 PM PDT by LesbianThespianGymnasticMidget (If con is the opposite of pro, is Congress the opposite of progress?)
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But it's a shame that had to use aborted baby stem cells...wonder if they'd get the same results with adult cells?

It appears they didn't even bother to try. Go figure.

15 posted on 09/19/2005 9:26:09 PM PDT by concerned about politics ("Get thee behind me, Liberal.")
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Sorry for the spelling but I got kind of heated on the nonsensicalness of this


16 posted on 09/19/2005 9:26:34 PM PDT by LesbianThespianGymnasticMidget (If con is the opposite of pro, is Congress the opposite of progress?)
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Why would you inject human cells into mice??? This is questionable stuff.

I agree.

17 posted on 09/19/2005 9:26:58 PM PDT by concerned about politics ("Get thee behind me, Liberal.")
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To: kstewskis

I heard that cord blood worked well, too. Not only that but there's a large, easily accessable supply of it.


18 posted on 09/19/2005 9:27:16 PM PDT by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: LesbianThespianGymnasticMidget
Cross species injections? No No No...

Sadly, I have no expertise in this area, and can't find anything (yet) that would discount these findings.

However, you're point is well taken, and remains on the table: how does a mouse benefit from being injected with HUMAN cells, whether or not they are from an embroyo, fetus, or whatever...

One would think that at best, they simply would die.

However, if some sort of genetic engineering were performed on these cells before injection, there is a high probability that it would work. There is nothing in this article that states these cells came DIRECTLY from a human, without any modification. Rather, one gets the impression that they were somehow modified before injection, though the source was definately human.

Which brings up another question: if these cells were in fact modified somehow, then could not the same thing be done with stem cells taken from adults???

19 posted on 09/19/2005 9:27:23 PM PDT by Ronzo (Help restore decency in Ameria...hug a Democrat.)
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Which brings up another question: if these cells were in fact modified somehow, then could not the same thing be done with stem cells taken from adults???

Or why didn't they just use a mouse fetus? Wouldn't that have been more practical?
This "discovery" doesn't pass the smell test.

20 posted on 09/19/2005 9:31:32 PM PDT by concerned about politics ("Get thee behind me, Liberal.")
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