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Cost of Katrina relief splits Republican ranks
Christian Science Monitor ^ | 9-20-2005 | Gail Russell Chadwick

Posted on 09/19/2005 5:00:32 PM PDT by Reagan Man

WASHINGTON – President Bush's call to spend "whatever it takes" to rebuild the Gulf Coast set off alarm bells among some in his conservative base - and stepped up a growing debate among Republicans at both ends of Pennsylvania Avenue on how to fix the battered region in ways that promote conservative values. From vouchers for education and Medicaid to the creation of a giant "opportunity zone" where Katrina struck, the Bush reconstruction effort - which he called "one of the largest reconstruction efforts the world has ever seen" - is reviving prospects for policy initiatives that GOP leaders say could make or break their party's future.

At the same time, fiscal conservatives, often outside of leadership, are calling for deep cuts in existing spending to pay the costs of reconstruction. They, too, see this as a fight for the soul of the Republican Party.

"It's too early to tell. It could wind up being the New Deal on steroids," says Mike Franc, vice president for governmental affairs at the Heritage Foundation, a conservative think tank.

For a president who campaigned on Ronald Reagan's legacy of limited government, the vast scope of needs in the region pose a special challenge. While President Roosevelt's New Deal and President Johnson's War on Poverty offer templates for a federal response, Republicans have campaigned for decades to roll them back.

"If people can agree that the last 40 years didn't help win the War on Poverty in New Orleans and the Gulf - and even hurt it - then the debate shifts into not replicating the last 40 years," says Mr. Franc.

But if the congressional committees bog down and can't agree on a package of reforms that can be financed without breaking the bank, "the default could be going with what we already have," he adds.

In recent weeks, Republican leaders have tasked every committee in Congress to come up quickly with new ideas that meet needs in the region.

These range from a vast package of tax breaks to revive business and housing in the Gulf, to Education Smart cards, which give families the option of paying for education wherever it is available and suits their needs, including private and parochial schools.

But to move such a plan, Republicans will need coherence in their own ranks, especially agreement across their caucus on how to pay for it. For fiscal conservatives, the biggest issue in the Gulf cleanup is its price tag, expected to exceed $200 billion. Congress has already appropriated $62 billion in emergency spending..

"Congress must ensure that a catastrophe of nature does not become a catastrophe of debt for our children and grandchildren," says Rep. Mike Pence (R) of Indiana, who chairs the Republican Study Group, a top conservative caucus.

The Heritage Foundation estimates that such levels of spending could bump budget deficits past $500 billion in 2008 to $873 billion in 2015.

In response, some conservative lawmakers are calling on their leaders to find offsets for new spending, including delaying implementing the new Medicare drug benefit, rolling back pork projects in recently passed Highway and Energy bills, and even deferring a vote on the permanent extension of Bush tax cuts. Last week, 11 House Republicans voted against a $52 billion hurricane relief bill in protest against the failure to identify offsets.

In a comment to reporters last week, House majority leader Tom DeLay said that after 11 years of a Republican majority, there wasn't much fat to cut in the federal budget.

The comment alarmed many conservative activists outside government who see the big spending ways of the Bush administration as a betrayal of small- government ideals.

"I have to pretty strongly disagree with the majority leader," says former GOP Rep. Pat Toomey, now head of the Club for Growth, an antitax group that backs Republican candidates.

"Whatever money gets spent on this reconstruction effort really needs to be offset by reductions somewhere else," he adds. "It's not the role of the federal government to be rebuilding houses and strip malls...."

At a closed leadership meeting on Thursday, House GOP leaders tried to bridge divisions in their caucus by promising strong accountability on where new federal dollars are going "Whatever is expended by Congress, we want to make sure it is funded appropriately and that states and local communities, as well as the private sector, share the burden," said a House leadership aide.

While Republicans have stood by the president as he expanded the role of government in local schools and the war on terrorism, the new wave of post-Katrina spending could break that consensus at a time when the Bush's job rating is at record lows.

The bid to work conservative programs, such as education vouchers, into Gulf aid could help bridge those gaps.

"It's window dressing for the benefit of social conservatives," says Ross Baker, a political scientist at Rutgers University in New Brunswick, N.J.. "The president may feel that whatever support he will lose among fiscal conservatives, he will win from conservatives proud of him for bootlegging vouchers in the relief plan."


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To: Reagan Man

Note that Delay doesn't say that there's "not much fat."

He says they pared it down and that the victory is "ongoing."

And if we go back, we'll see him discussing the absence of groups coming forward to champion more cuts.


61 posted on 09/20/2005 8:12:14 AM PDT by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It!)
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To: EagleUSA

It is really not so much the cost, but WHO IS GOING TO PAY IT...the taxpayers or the states and their people??


I agree. I think it should be the state and their people.
We have enough burden on us in our own states.


62 posted on 09/20/2005 8:30:33 AM PDT by WasDougsLamb (I haven't lost a damn thing in New Orleans)
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To: WasDougsLamb

I agree. I think it should be the state and their people.
We have enough burden on us in our own states.
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This country can no longer afford to run a FEDERAL WELFARE STATE. We are taxed to death already, to pay for much that is WASTE, FRAUD, AND NOT NECESSARY.


63 posted on 09/20/2005 8:32:26 AM PDT by EagleUSA
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To: EagleUSA

Amen to that.


64 posted on 09/20/2005 8:34:01 AM PDT by WasDougsLamb (I haven't lost a damn thing in New Orleans)
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To: xzins
I don't disagree with your remarks. But lets be honest. If it walks like a duck, if it quacks like a duck, its a duck.

Here are two posts for "DeLay declares 'victory' in war on budget fat" --- LINK, LINK.

65 posted on 09/20/2005 9:16:23 AM PDT by Reagan Man (Secure the borders;punish employers who hire illegals;halt all welfare handouts to illegals.)
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To: cowdog77

Well it wasn't just the welfare bums you saw on tv that lost everything. In fact those outside of New Orleans Proper were working class and professionals who have paid a lot of taxes their entire working life. The majority of people affected were outside the city limits, like one million plus in the Greater New Orleans area alone. The cities of Slidell, Waveland, Biloxi, Gulfport, Pass Christian, the interior of Mississippi, and so on were also greatly affected from this storm.

The media has made it seem like only the poor blacks were the only ones affected when in fact that isn't true. Many people lost everything and have started the process of starting over.


66 posted on 09/20/2005 9:42:32 AM PDT by CajunConservative ("Dem's can bus people to the polls but can't bus them out of danger to save their lives.")
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To: DCPatriot

::And just to let you know, if Gore had been president in 2000 mortgage rates would most likely be about 9% right now, and you would be paying outrageous tax rates on the federal AND state levels. ::

If Gore had been president during 9/11 we would be facing a lot more than high interest rates and taxes. Hell there is more than one reason to elect a president than for economic reasons. Can you imagine the utter mess we would be in had Kerry won? You guys saw the disaster the dem gov and mayor made just think about the disaster of Kerry in office.


67 posted on 09/20/2005 9:47:35 AM PDT by CajunConservative ("Dem's can bus people to the polls but can't bus them out of danger to save their lives.")
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To: jveritas
The Medicare bill was going to bound to happen regardless who would be in office in 2004. Same with the education bill. There are things that no President can stop when its political time will come.

You're absolutely wrong. Had Bush vetoed either of them, there is no way congress would have a 2/3 majority to override the vetoes.

68 posted on 09/20/2005 10:30:23 AM PDT by jmc813 ("Small-government conservative" is a redundancy, and "compassionate conservative" is an oxymoron.)
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To: CajunConservative

"We the sensible people of the United States, in an attempt to help everyone get along, restore some semblance of justice, avoid more riots, keep our nation safe, promote positive behavior, and secure the blessings of debt free liberty to ourselves and our great-great-great-grandchildren, hereby try one more time to ordain and establish some common sense guidelines for the terminally whiny, guilt ridden, delusional, and other liberal bed-wetters. We hold these truths to be self evident: that a whole lot of people are confused by the Bill of Rights and are so dim they require a Bill of NON-Rights."
ARTICLE I: You do not have the right to a new car, big screen TV, or any other form of wealth. More power to you if you can legally acquire them, but no one is guaranteeing anything.

ARTICLE II: You do not have the right to never be offended. This country is based on freedom, and that means freedom for everyone -- not just you! You may leave the room, turn the channel, express a different opinion, etc.; but the world is full of idiots, and probably always will be.

ARTICLE III: You do not have the right to be free from harm. If you stick a screwdriver in your eye, learn to be more careful, do not expect the tool manufacturer to make you and all your relatives independently wealthy.

ARTICLE IV: You do not have the right to free food and housing. Americans are the most charitable people to be found and will gladly help anyone in need, but we are quickly growing weary of subsidizing generation after generation of professional couch potatoes who achieve nothing more than the creation of another generation of professional couch potatoes.

ARTICLE V: You do not have the right to free health care. That would be nice, but from the looks of public housing,

we're just not interested in public health care.

ARTICLE VI: You do not have the right to physically harm other people. If you kidnap, rape, intentionally maim, or kill someone, don't be surprised if the rest of us want to see your rear fry in the electric chair.

ARTICLE VII: You do not have the right to the possessions of others. If you rob, cheat, loot, or coerce away the goods or services of other citizens, don't be surprised if the rest of us get together and lock you away in a place where you still won't have the right to a big screen color TV or a life of leisure.

ARTICLE VIII: You do not have the right to a job. All of us sure want you to have a job, and will gladly help you along in hard times, but we expect you to take advantage of the opportunities of education and vocational training laid before you to make yourself useful.

ARTICLE IX: You do not have the right to happiness. Being an American means that you have the right to PURSUE happiness which, by the way, is a lot easier if you are unencumbered by an over abundance of idiotic laws created by those of you who were confused by the Bill of Rights.

ARTICLE X: This is an English speaking country. We don't care where you are from, English is our language. Learn it or go back to wherever you came from!

(lastly....)

ARTICLE XI: You do not have the right to change our country's history or heritage. This country was founded on the belief in one true God. And yet, you are given the freedom to believe in any religion, any faith, or no faith at all; with no fear of persecution. The phrase IN GOD WE TRUST is part of our heritage and history and if you are uncomfortable with it, TOUGH!!!!

It's about time common sense is allowed to flourish.

Sensible people of the United States speak out because if you don't, insensible people will."


69 posted on 09/20/2005 11:21:35 AM PDT by cowdog77
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To: cowdog77

"""I'd like, just for once, to see it go somewhere to help working class families who have lost so much instead of third generation welfare bums."""

My post simply was responding to your statement that the only one's affected were welfare bums. I simply said that more than the inner city of NO was affected and that they weren't on welfare but working class families just like you and me.


70 posted on 09/20/2005 11:35:03 AM PDT by CajunConservative ("Dem's can bus people to the polls but can't bus them out of danger to save their lives.")
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To: Reagan Man

Bush Offering a Hand Up, Not Handouts
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1487340/posts

go to post #9 to see an INCREDIBLE video/music of Katrina!


71 posted on 09/20/2005 12:52:37 PM PDT by votelife (we need 60 conservative senators)
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To: votelife

Thanks for that link!


72 posted on 09/20/2005 1:02:19 PM PDT by CajunConservative ("Dem's can bus people to the polls but can't bus them out of danger to save their lives.")
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To: jveritas

"no matter who is President and who is in Congress"

Sounds like you've basically resigned yourself to continued growth of gvt. Actually, so have I. But that doesn't mean I like it.

I think the best we can hope for is slow growth rather than fast. So far w/ Bush and the pub congress (and excluding defense) its been fast - VERY fast.


73 posted on 09/20/2005 1:57:06 PM PDT by Pessimist
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To: Reagan Man

Let Louisana rebuild Louisana - if you were homeless on August 27, 2005 why should you have a house now?


74 posted on 09/20/2005 2:03:38 PM PDT by sandydipper (Less government is best government!)
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To: jveritas
Of course I will not join the liberal democrat my Buchananite/third party voter freeper but I will make sure that I can be pragmatic enough to keep the Republican Party in power and not lose everything because of the idiotic absolutism of few conservatives.

But principles don't matter to you. Core values are just something to be dropped at a whim in order to win elections. You want to back winners, that's all that matters. Should the liberals come storming back and take Congress and the White House then you'll jump on the winner's bandwagon, regardless of their stand on anything because, after all, you like winners. Not values. Not principles. Winners.

75 posted on 09/20/2005 2:57:29 PM PDT by Non-Sequitur
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To: votelife
>>>>Bush Offering a Hand Up, Not Handouts

Sorry, compassionate conservatism is a political ideology I don't agree with. Conservatives are principled and compassionate by design.

76 posted on 09/20/2005 5:15:21 PM PDT by Reagan Man (Secure the borders;punish employers who hire illegals;halt all welfare handouts to illegals.)
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