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To: Coyoteman

The thing is, the idea that anti-evolutionary theory is claimed to be unfalsifiable and therefore not science, which is simply not true. Evolution opponents often believe the Bible is infallible, but they do not hold the scientific evidence they present to be unfalsifiable.


11 posted on 09/19/2005 4:26:26 PM PDT by Tim Long (I'M CREEPING DEATH!!!)
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To: Tim Long

"The thing is, the idea that anti-evolutionary theory is claimed to be unfalsifiable and therefore not science, which is simply not true."

Some of it is unfalsifiable, the rest has been falsified.
And that sentence is crying out for a verb.


13 posted on 09/19/2005 4:33:33 PM PDT by CarolinaGuitarman ("There is a grandeur in this view of life...")
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To: Tim Long
anti-evolutionary theory

That says it all right there. Not a theory designed to advance knowledge, not research, or any of the things scientists do. Just anti-evolutionary. This wouldn't be faith-based, would it?

16 posted on 09/19/2005 4:39:18 PM PDT by Coyoteman (Is this a good tagline?)
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To: Tim Long
The thing is, the idea that anti-evolutionary theory is claimed to be unfalsifiable and therefore not science, which is simply not true. Evolution opponents often believe the Bible is infallible, but they do not hold the scientific evidence they present to be unfalsifiable.

Step 1: Behe claims the flagella is irreducibly complex; i.e. could not possibly have evolved.

Step 2: Evolutionary biologists explain how the flagella could have evolved.

Step 3: ID polemicists complain that the evolutionists haven't provided a detailed, step-by-step accounting for how the flagella actually evolved, calling the evolutionary explanation a "just-so story", a "promissory note for an explanation", etc.

If ID is falsifiable like you claim, then you should be able to tell us precisely what kind of evidence would convince you that ID is, in fact, false.

19 posted on 09/19/2005 4:42:30 PM PDT by jennyp (WHAT I'M READING NOW: Seeing What's Next by Christensen, et.al.)
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To: Tim Long
Evolution opponents often believe the Bible is infallible, but they do not hold the scientific evidence they present to be unfalsifiable.

OK. But can you falsify this? How. Please be specific in your answer.


Creation of the Earth

The world was once nothing but water. The only land above the water was Black Mountain. All the people lived up there when the flood came, and their fireplaces can still be seen.

Fish-eater and Hawk lived there. Fish-eater was Hawk's uncle. One day they were singing and shaking a rattle. As they sang, Hawk shook this rattle and dirt began to fall out of it. They sang all night, shaking the rattle the whole time. Soon there was so much dirt on the water that the water started to go down. When it had gone all the way down, they put up the Sierra Nevada to hold the ocean back. Soon they saw a river running down through the valley.

When they finished making the earth, Hawk said, "Well, we have finished. Here is a rabbit for me. I will live on rabbits in my lifetime." Fish-eater was over a swampy place, and he said, "I will live on fish in my lifetime." They had plenty to eat for themselves. It was finished.

Owens Valley Paiute creation story, eastern California


87 posted on 09/19/2005 7:52:33 PM PDT by Coyoteman (Is this a good tagline?)
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