[Red6]

National SOZIALISTISCHE Deutsche Arbeiter Partei.

They were socialists, and this was more than just in name. It's strange how the defenders of socialism always have to resort to the "Oh, Russia wasn’t reallllllly socialist." or "China isn't really an example of socialism." or "The NAZI's were no real socialists."

The Geemans learned that nationalism and patriotism is a danger out of their WWII experience. The real threat, socialism is not percieved as such today. In fact they see a lot of merit in this system and its values.

So, then- Give me an example of "real" socialism? An example you like and meets the seal of approval by you.

Red6

[stefan10]

Sorry your historical knowledge is wrong. I can understand the feeling to blame socialism for everything and socialism can be blamed for a lot of evil in this world your NAZI example is totally wrong.


1. The first people killed and arrested by the NAZIS were the communists, socialists and social democrats. The only two parties voting against the Ermächtigungsgesetz that gave Hitler his dictatoship were the communist ( at least the ones that were not killed and arrested) and the social democrats with the famous speech of Otto Wels in the Reichstag. Sad but true the conservative parties vote with Hitler and allowed him to do the things we all still know very well. That´s one reason why the conservatives found a a new party with a new name after WWII while the socialdemocrates still exist with the same name.

2. THe NAZIS were a right wing nationalistic party

3. There is the word socialistic is in the party name this is true.
in the early days of this movement after WWI they shared some common views with the socialists but that changed very early. Hitler understood that he needed the support of the
companies and the economy to archive his goals and he got that support.

Your problem is that you don´t seem to be interested in facts or historical events. You just seem to look for something that fits into your small picture of the world.

[ukman]

What's in a name? The "socialist" element of the NSDAP (Gregor Strasser & Co.) were eliminated in 1934, "Night of the Long Knives". Hitler was in cahoots with the big industrial companies and nationalist/conservative types, not with the real SPD and the Communists, who spent the years till '45 in hiding/exile/concentration camps.
Any "socialist" element in Nazism was restricted to public works to ease unemployment and benefits (stolen from Jews and foreigners) to Aryan Germans only. That is definitely NOT socialism.

I don't approve of Socialism, real or otherwise, so why should I have to give you an example of it?

Like I said, it's this dumb Germans = Nazis so prevalent on FR that bugs me.