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To: RFT1
The so called mainstream conservative movment is every bit as bankrupt as liberalism was by the late 70s

Exactly why this country needs a right wing wacko fringe demagogue like Pat Buchanan to straighten things out!

The fact "free" traders can not follow though on simple logic, much less have any sense of history shows me their ideas are bankrupt.

That's rich. The only ones supplying facts and employing logic here are the proponents of freer trade. I don't suppose you'd have any facts you'd like to share with us that support, in any way, your claims that free trade has bankrupted our economy. I'm sure you can find a study somewhere that proves that the amount of prosperity and wealth a country experiences is directly correlated to the amount government control exercised over the economy.

451 posted on 09/21/2005 3:58:19 PM PDT by Mase
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To: Mase
One of the problems is the Chomsky problem. Facts are communicate by words... and was said repeatedly at the Dem Natl Convention... "Kerry has his own truth".

Buchanan, in true Chomsky fashion, is clever with the words to build his own truth.

"There is a mess in Washington..... and it's all the fault of the illegal immigrants." Summary of Buchanan logic of year 2000 election season.

The fact is that we have the facts on our side. When we can play on our home turf, we win. But when we play on the Chomsky turf, we will always be out-maneuvered by people who are not distracted from their agenda by the facts.

452 posted on 09/21/2005 4:06:38 PM PDT by NormalGuy
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To: Mase

Facts are funny thing, they at times can be twisted, such as calling tariffs govrenmnet control over the economy. Fact is before the new deal when the US govrenmnet was libertarian in nature, tariffs were used, in the period of 45-70, when productivity gains were far higher than even today, tariffs were used, and it certainly did not hurt the bottom line of big or small business'.

When free trade is practiced between nations of similar ability, such as US and Europe, and when both side trade fairly, it does benifit both sides, when "free" tracde is practiced between nations of the same ability, but one side has various tariffs that prevent entry into a market, such as the way the US trades between Japan and Korea(this lopsided policy was a result of cold war policy that allowed Japan and Korea dump products into the US in exchange for use of bases), the result is a nations wealth being traded to another nation. When it is practiced the way it is in regaurd to China and India, where US workers and intellectual property are at a servere disadvantage, it is insanity, that hurts the US economicaly long term, and paves the way for greater socialism.

With GW Bush leading a government that spends more and more, there is more and more govrenment control over the economy.


454 posted on 09/21/2005 4:42:56 PM PDT by RFT1
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