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Too true. But it still kills Me that it is always us males that 'have to change'. Just the incredible unconcious conceit of those females just KNOWING that there is NOTHING wrong with THEM becomes more and more hilarious to Me as the years go by, lol!

Can I give another perspective?

I know a woman who this week is divorcing after 30 years of marriage.

Her reasons are that she was the one that did all the changing, giving, putting up, giving in etc. It finally came to a head when she became ill, and was in constant misery. She asked hubby to change a few things that would make life a bit easier....

Like turning down the thermostat 2 degrees, not reading in bed all night with the light on, not having the TV blaring all the time etc. Nothing major, really minor things. But he just looked at her like she as crazy and refused to do them....because he'd done them all for thirty years.

He didn't see why he should change.

And she'd been miserable for 30 years.

It wasn't until he refused that she realized he didn't even care about her, much less love her...
Anyhow, she's feeling physically better, but she's decided, if she's gonna die, she's gonna die in a cool house with the lights out and the TV off. So she moved out. And much to your consternation, I'm sure...she's getting High Fives and atta girls from all over.

I guess the point is while you're hearing "All guys need to change" what a lot of women are saying is "I've done all the changing and giving...I can't take it anymore! Now its his turn".

Granted, that's just my perspective from the bleachers.

Just the incredible unconcious conceit of those females just KNOWING that there is NOTHING wrong with THEM becomes more and more hilarious to Me as the years go by, lol!

You may not believe it, but one of the great waypoints of my marriage was when I explicitly informed my wife Moses never came down off the mountain with a commandment giving her authority to declare which was the "proper" position for the toilet seat.

Obviously, this is just a sample, but it was a titannic struggle to convince her she did not get to unilaterally "define reality."