Posted on 09/16/2005 9:46:16 AM PDT by lizol
An example of why having a NATO (US) presence in the Baltic states isn't necessarily a good idea.
game started!
Here's hoping our East European friends go for it!
I think multiple gas and oil pipe lines between Russia and E Europe and between Western & Eastern Europe and Eurasia will relatively soon become a reality.
Poland and Ukraine are also seeking to aquire alternative energy resources outside of Russia. Pipe lines that bring Caspian Oil and Central Asian gas to Ukraine and Poland via Azerbajan, Georgia, Turkey and Black sea bypassing Russia are also being proposed. This is the case when each party should pursue its own legitimate economic interests.
In a long term, when nobody is a monopolist on such vital issues as energy resources (whether as a supplier or transit country), it's a win-win situation for everyone.
Other Lithuanian politicians were more aggressive. Vytautas Landsbergis, member of the European Parliament, said the new Russian-German alliance was designed to change Europe’s political map. If the gas project was implemented, the Baltic states and Poland would be left at the mercy of Russia. ==
I don't exactly understand thier logic. They object russo-german mutual relations?
I thought that it just not thier business. That is the business of 2 parties involved only.
"I don't exactly understand thier logic. They object russo-german mutual relations?
I thought that it just not thier business. That is the business of 2 parties involved only. "
The fears are largely political--Lithuania fears that if Poland and Ukraine will loose their predominant position as transit countries for Russian oil and gas to W. Europe, the entire E. Europe (incl. Lithuania) will become more vulnerable to the political and economic pressure from Putin's Russia. It's a fear of Putin's Kremlin long-term intentions.
However, I believe that in the long-term, Poland, Lithuania, Ukraine and Russia should aquire multiple oil and gas pipe lines, so neither party is too vulnerable to economic pressure, blockade, theft, etc.
Just like Ribbebtrop-Molotov pact, huh?
Just like Ribbebtrop-Molotov pact, huh?==
You are distorting lizol. Molotov-Ribbentrop pact devided sphere of influence over other countries.
But gas treaty is just cutting out meddlemen and make profit for involved parties.
Poland and Ukraine are also seeking to aquire alternative energy resources outside of Russia. Pipe lines that bring Caspian Oil and Central Asian gas to Ukraine and Poland via Azerbajan, Georgia, Turkey and Black sea bypassing Russia are also being proposed. This is the case when each party should pursue its own legitimate economic interests. ==
It is good Serge but according Vitalii Potapov the head of department of Company "Nefta-Gaz" of Ukarine that the gas pipe proposed from Turkmenia to Ukraine which will bypass the territory of Russia will cost about $14 blns of dollars.
It includes the big sea span too.
If newly signed conract of NorthEuropian gas pipe costs about $5 blns and it named as biggest project in history which involved lot of credit resources of 2 biggest economics.
Then you may understand that now Ukraine alone has to find 2.5 times bigger credit to build her pipe.
You may understand that it is probably impossible.
One cannot deny Moscow the beauty of the maneuver and cannot deny Germany the ability to get the profit. ==
Russia make profit too. Without middelmen both sides make profits.
There are alternatives--like Caspian oil pipelines going through Azerbajan and Georgia to Turkey. Pipeline could be built that brings Caspian oil and Central Asian Gas to Ukraine through Georgia and Black Sea. Anyway--let everyone concerned find the best solution that is mutually acceptable.
Gas war! Maybe they could start giving away 6-packs of cokes or dishes w/fill-up like we did here in the sixties.....;o)
You can trust your car to the man who wears the Star....
Gas war! Maybe they could start giving away 6-packs of cokes or dishes w/fill-up like we did here in the sixties.....;o)
You can trust your car to the man who wears the Star....
There is no US forces in the Baltic states.
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