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Bush vows 'biggest relief effort'
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/4250308.stm ^ | BBC News Information

Posted on 09/15/2005 6:50:47 PM PDT by anonymoussierra

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To: CGTRWK

Baloney. Prove it.

And, btw, you should know that I believe the Wall Street guys before I believe some freeper I've never heard of. And they have never mentioned this president raising taxes 20%. But good try.


141 posted on 09/16/2005 2:42:10 AM PDT by Peach (South Carolina is praying for our Gulf coast citizens.)
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To: sergeantdave

Hi, Dave. Where do you live that the feds ignored you? Can you link a newspaper article to what happened?


142 posted on 09/16/2005 2:42:55 AM PDT by Peach (South Carolina is praying for our Gulf coast citizens.)
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To: Sam Cree

And just what do you think should be done with New Orleans?


143 posted on 09/16/2005 2:43:35 AM PDT by Peach (South Carolina is praying for our Gulf coast citizens.)
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To: Calpernia
"The legit businesses are in a financial hole."

Please explain how that is? A legit and prudent business has both property insurance and business interuption insurance. Certainly that won't make them whole, but it's hardly a financial hole.

If government help was needed, and I don't think it is, they'd focus on providing mass transit to/from NO from areas outside of the city proper. Since 80% of the NO workforce comes from areas outside the city from communities like Slidell that would be a wise investment. Simply leave the residential areas of NO the sinkhole that they are and turn it into green space.

Instead we simply get the usual political response of showing how much pols "care" by giving away our money. When money is freely given, and American's have shown themselves to be fully capable of that, it's compassion. When it's taken by force it's called theft.

I'm hosting two evacuees. I wonder how many politicans have taken into their homes?

144 posted on 09/16/2005 3:42:53 AM PDT by Proud_texan (I didn't leave the republican party, it left me.)
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To: Proud_texan

I was responding to inquest. He said the businesses were in a financial hole.

If anyone, a legit business would be over the corrupt ones I was referring to to make my point about eminent domain.


145 posted on 09/16/2005 4:27:26 AM PDT by Calpernia (Breederville.com)
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To: inquest

"Christ-like is not forcibly taking money from someone to give to someone else. You're free to give as much of your own money as you choose."

I'd rather pay taxes for things like national defense and helping our people when they've been destroyed by natural disasters than for things like the public school system (as it is now), or funding for the arts (as it is now), etc. I am glad Bush lowered taxes, I hope he keeps lowering them, but if he has to raise them - because of this hurricane and our war on terror - then I'll do my part. I trust this man and I'm glad that we live in a country that is prepared for the worst and can pay for it too.


146 posted on 09/16/2005 4:38:32 AM PDT by mudblood
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To: Peach
"And just what do you think should be done with New Orleans?"

I don't think anything should be "done" with New Orleans except getting the port and the Western Rivers up and running. That part even comes squarely under interstate commerce. And national security. And doing that alone will provide tons of work and jobs.

I think the property owners, investors and entrepreneurs will do the rest on their own, with or without government help. Most likely will do it better without. Again, lots of blue collar jobs.

The government is going to spend money like a drunken sailor though, regardless. I just hope some of it does some good, and not too much of it does harm.

147 posted on 09/16/2005 6:14:17 AM PDT by Sam Cree (absolute reality)
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To: Peach

It's true that we've transformed our society into one in which millions of citizens are dependent in part or in whole, one way or another, on the government.

I have to agree that when a large number of them, including many poor ones, are suddenly hit with a disaster, like now, it's not the right time to go cold turkey. But I wish that we could start reducing the role of government in our lives. I dread, though, that this whole thing is going to be a major catalyst for great increases in the government role.


148 posted on 09/16/2005 6:32:01 AM PDT by Sam Cree (absolute reality)
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To: gatorbait
I thought the President was pretty clear. He spoke of tax incentives for private business and some government aid.

Some? From the article:

"'Throughout the area hit by the hurricane, we will do what it takes. We will stay as long as it takes to help citizens rebuild their communities and their lives,' Mr Bush said."

That's a huge open-ended commitment, involving many billions of dollars, much of which will go towards the same state and local governments that are largely responsible for this mess. And with that much money going down for such an extended period, it will lead to the feds running everything, even if that's not in the formally drawn-up plans right now. What government funds, it ends up controlling, one way or the other.

I think that some here have failed to see , and it is understandable in light of the Media blitz, how vital New Orleans is stratrgically, both in security and national commerce.

I never said it wasn't important. My only point is that the market will take care of what's needed on its own.

149 posted on 09/16/2005 7:20:29 AM PDT by inquest (FTAA delenda est)
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To: gatorbait
I liked the lifting of the Federal taxes, the tax breaks, and god willing, the idiot regulations, many of which contributed to this mess, being suspended.

I'd like the idea of taxes and foolish regulations being cut permanently throughout the country. But as for cutting taxes only in that one region, that runs afoul of the constitutional requirement that taxes be uniform throughout the country.

150 posted on 09/16/2005 7:27:00 AM PDT by inquest (FTAA delenda est)
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To: PeskyOne
" Regarding your comment that 'he is increasing the power and reach of the central government'; were you referring to his comment that he was going to recommend that the federal government have the control/power to use the military in an emergency situation w/o consulting with state and local governments? I'm conflicted about this proposal. He needed the right to take over in Louisiana because of the ineptness of the governor and mayor, but Barbour and Riley seemed to have the evacuation of Mississippi and Alabama under control."

Yes, that, but also his signing of CFR, his willingness to sign the assault rifle ban, his refusal to take a stand on eminent domain and his general attitude that government should play a large role in the ordering and arranging of society.

I guess if we are going to use military without regard to the wishes of state government and just take over when the president decides that state leaders are inept, we have pretty well rid ourselves of the original construction and concept of the United States. Imagine Hillary having the power to decide state leaders are inept, and the ability to take over when she decides that.

I don't think we should sacrifice our principles because there are times when total government power could make things happen more quickly. It can make life hell on earth too.

151 posted on 09/16/2005 7:29:03 AM PDT by Sam Cree (absolute reality)
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To: mudblood
I am glad Bush lowered taxes, I hope he keeps lowering them, but if he has to raise them - because of this hurricane and our war on terror - then I'll do my part.

It's not like you'd have a choice at that point. But you have a choice now. You're perfectly capable of doing "your part" on your own initiative, if you think it's that important. There's no need for the government to get involved, especially to the scale that it is. New Orleans is practically going to become a federal district under this plan.

I trust this man

First of all, there's practically nothing he's done to earn the trust of any conservative, except get liberals to not like him, which isn't all that hard. Secondly, he's not going to be in office forever, and this is a very open-ended commitment.

152 posted on 09/16/2005 7:39:38 AM PDT by inquest (FTAA delenda est)
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