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Gun smuggling is 'easy'
The Sun (UK) ^ | 9/15/05 | CORINNE ABRAMS

Posted on 09/15/2005 10:03:21 AM PDT by kiriath_jearim

Gun smuggling is 'easy'

By CORINNE ABRAMS Sun Online

AS Britain struggled to understand yet another brutal gun murder in the wake of the Harvey Nichols horror, a former armed response officer told us of the ease at which guns were being smuggled into the country.

Roger Gray, who worked with SO19, the armed response unit of the Metropolitan Police, revealed guns were coming in to the country through sea ports, in luggage and lorries.

The smuggling of the weapons, some of which he said were manufactured in India and China, others sold in Eastern Europe, was made easier due to easier communications and international travel connections.

Mr Gray, who has written the book Armed Response about his experiences in the Met, described Britain's borders as "porous to say the least".

"Buying weapons in Europe and bringing them into England is not really a problem, bringing them in to the Kent sink ports is even less of a problem," Mr Gray said.

"It is very easy," he added

Mr Gray said he believed the extent gun crime was being "underplayed" in Britain.

He said "The number of weapons that are in criminal hands I would suggest has gone up enormously."

And Mr Gray said nowadays, on the streets of a city like Manchester it could be possible to get hold of a gun within hours: "If you were a member of a certain fraternity and of a certain age group I don't think you would have trouble getting one at all. Within an hour, I suspect, if you were in touch with the right people."

Mr Gray even said he thought it was possible Kalashnikov AK47 assualt rifles could be making their way into this country.

"In places like India, we have village craftsmen who can clone a Kalashnikov assault rifle very efficiently. India, China all over the place.

"The Kalashnikov is one of the most lethal weapons in the world, but it is also commonly available."

Mr Gray said he believed gun crime in the UK was spiralling: "Gun crime in general is rising, it is out of control. I believe the public do not have a full picture of what is going on nor the extent of it."

He said the weapons were available for under £100, along with bullets.

"You can buy one for £50 or £70 with a load of ammunition, I understand. Guns have been made for the past two centuries, there are loads of them out there," he revealed.

Mr Gray was not hopeful for the future of cracking down on gun crime, despite the Government's proposed Violent Crime Bill, saying Brits would have to learn to live with it.

"I don’t think we are going to be able to stamp it out I think we are going to have to live with it," he said.

"It is very difficult for the British public to digest what they are now faced with, but they have no choice.

"It will never be possible to train enough armed policemen, let alone recruit them to deal with the problem as it is now. The resources required are absolutely enormous and our society would change fundamentally. "


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Foreign Affairs; Government; United Kingdom
KEYWORDS: banglist; gunfreeparadise

1 posted on 09/15/2005 10:03:23 AM PDT by kiriath_jearim
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To: kiriath_jearim

I know the answer - pass more gun control - that will surely stop the criminals.


2 posted on 09/15/2005 10:06:03 AM PDT by 2banana (My common ground with terrorists - They want to die for Islam, and we want to kill them.)
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To: kiriath_jearim

Boy, I dunno about a home-made AK for $150. But if none of your victims can shoot back it'd be good enough. "In the country of the blind, the one-eyed man is King..."


3 posted on 09/15/2005 10:06:28 AM PDT by Billthedrill
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To: kiriath_jearim

If you cna go to prison for a BB gun, why not get an AK-47?


4 posted on 09/15/2005 10:08:34 AM PDT by Blood of Tyrants (G-d is not a Republican. But Satan is definitely a Democrat.)
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To: kiriath_jearim

WHAT! You mean criminals are not following the LAW!? OH THE HUMANITYYYYYYYY!

(/end moonbattery)


5 posted on 09/15/2005 10:10:33 AM PDT by highlymotivated (If American ever falls, a STINKING LIBERAL will be behind it.)
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To: 2banana

If drugs are coming into your country, guns will come into your country.

Drugs are the root of at least 75% of all crime in industrialized nations.

Stop drug use --- crime rates will plummet.

It's that simple.


6 posted on 09/15/2005 10:12:52 AM PDT by Erik Latranyi (9-11 is your Peace Dividend)
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To: kiriath_jearim
When guns are outlawed, only outlaws will have guns.....simple mantra UK, please read, repeat, repeat, repeat, repeat...etc.
7 posted on 09/15/2005 10:13:32 AM PDT by Vaquero ("From my dead cold hands")
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To: kiriath_jearim

""The Kalashnikov is one of the most lethal weapons in the world..."

****

I thought that was the hydrogen bomb's position.


8 posted on 09/15/2005 10:20:31 AM PDT by kiriath_jearim
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To: Vaquero

the 'reporter' or 'journalist' lacks common sense... Outlaw guns, only criminals will have them.. it creates a wide open black market... i hope they pass more gun control laws in the UK.. in 6 months or a yr it will once again prove how senseless and stupid gun control is and that it dosnt work


9 posted on 09/15/2005 10:21:40 AM PDT by BigTom85 (Proud Gun Owner and Member of NRA)
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To: kiriath_jearim

"It will never be possible to train enough armed policemen, let alone recruit them to deal with the problem as it is now. The resources required are absolutely enormous and our society would change fundamentally. "



Geeeee, maybe they should just give up and tell the citizens to Defend Themselves.. like with their own guns.


10 posted on 09/15/2005 10:32:05 AM PDT by lrb111
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To: kiriath_jearim
Roger Gray, who worked with SO19, the armed response unit of the Metropolitan Police, revealed guns were coming in to the country through sea ports, in luggage and lorries.

Once knew a girl named Lorrie. Always wondered what happened to her and now I know!

11 posted on 09/15/2005 10:36:21 AM PDT by pikachu (All problems will be solved by the second term of Persident Schwartzenegger's Administraion!)
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"It will never be possible to train enough armed policemen, let alone recruit them to deal with the problem as it is now. The resources required are absolutely enormous and our society would change fundamentally. "

Hey, how about a refreshing idea? Firearms in the hands of honest, law-abiding citizens?

12 posted on 09/15/2005 10:47:13 AM PDT by Luke Skyfreeper
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To: kiriath_jearim

Kalashnikovs have killed more people than hydrogen bombs have.


13 posted on 09/15/2005 11:16:53 AM PDT by Oztrich Boy (Seriousness lends force to bad arguments. - P J O'Rourke)
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To: Billthedrill
Mr. Gray is misinformed, a fool, or both.

W/ an abundance of Com. bloc surplus AKs, it's doubtful any Rajhdeed is cranking out clones in his parlor.

& whadda 'bout magazines....worth more than the AK ?

14 posted on 09/15/2005 11:27:11 AM PDT by TheOracleAtLilac
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To: 2banana

...I know the answer - pass more gun control - that will surely stop the criminals...

Isn't it against the law in Britain for a citizen to defend himself, or is that just a rumour?

Oh, that's right, they can't have a gun, so it's true.


15 posted on 09/18/2005 8:16:09 PM PDT by planekT (What a mess.)
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