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Nuclear family gets nuked by the Gen-Xers
The Australian ^ | 9/15/05 | Bernard Salt

Posted on 09/15/2005 9:28:57 AM PDT by qam1

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To: GovernmentShrinker

How, pray tell, are you paying to raise my child?

The taxes you pay, just like the taxes I pay, go for a whole host of things. Your claim makes about as much sense as me claining I'm paying for your commute to work - absolutely none.


161 posted on 09/15/2005 3:09:51 PM PDT by Gabz ((Chincoteague, VA) USSG Warning: portable sewing machines cause broken ankles)
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To: Gabz
I can not believe comments like this.

I just gave up. It was like arguing with the stupid cat lady that lived around the corner when I was a kid. She hated kids and everyone who had them too. I think they eventually hauled her off to the looney bin.

162 posted on 09/15/2005 3:13:23 PM PDT by Melas (The dumber the troll, the longer the thread)
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To: RMDupree

You are NOT paying for your child's education just because you are paying "a share" of taxes. If your school system spends $17,000/year per student, then you are paying for child only if your share of property taxes and portion of state income taxes that goes to schools, is $17,000+.

And at even a conservative $15,000/year for public schooling a child, someone would have to be making WAY into six figures to actually cover the cost of educating a dozen children. And if they're not paying that much in taxes, then somebody else is supporting their children.


163 posted on 09/15/2005 3:13:45 PM PDT by GovernmentShrinker
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To: GovernmentShrinker

Classifying anything as private property, instead of as community property subject to government control, is hardly socialist.
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Children are not property.


164 posted on 09/15/2005 3:16:13 PM PDT by darkangel82
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To: Gabz

There shouldn't BE a public school system. It's just one more socialist wealth redistribution scheme. What the heck is wrong with expecting people to foot the cost of raising and educating their own children? Grandparents can help too. But people who put their kids in public schools, pay a tiny fraction of those kids' tab in taxes, and then claim to be supporting their own children, are either clueless or lying.


165 posted on 09/15/2005 3:18:14 PM PDT by GovernmentShrinker
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To: Melas

Financially, children are only an asset to today's society after they are grown up and well-educated. That wasn't the case when most people were farmers, and children were put to economically productive work at a very tender age. But now, children are a financial liability to their parents.


166 posted on 09/15/2005 3:20:23 PM PDT by GovernmentShrinker
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To: Gabz

I am paying WAY more in taxes than I use in any form of taxpayer funded services. That means I am subsidizing people who are paying less in taxes than they use. If those us who are paying way more than our share suddenly stopped, the net takers would find out fast and hard just how dependent they've been on other people's money.


167 posted on 09/15/2005 3:23:23 PM PDT by GovernmentShrinker
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To: Melas

I like children, and will definitely have them in the future. Can't afford to yet, because I'm paying so much in taxes to support other people's children, and I refuse to dump my children in the government indoctrination centers.


168 posted on 09/15/2005 3:25:41 PM PDT by GovernmentShrinker
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To: tortoise
For women, early 20s are biologically the best time for having children.

Unfortunately, it is unambiguously almost the worst time by most other important metrics. Our environment is evolving faster than our biology.

The amount of time one has to spend in educational institutions is a problem. It would actually make more sense for young women do college on a slow track while having kids in the meantime. That way they could enter the workforce with the early stage of raising the children completed.

169 posted on 09/15/2005 3:27:52 PM PDT by Feldkurat_Katz (What no women’s magazine ever offers to improve is women’s minds - Taki)
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To: tortoise
We treat children as if they were a liability, not an asset (investment).

We don't treat them like a liability, they are a liability by any reasonable analysis.

"tortoise said so" is not a reasonable analysis.

170 posted on 09/15/2005 3:34:10 PM PDT by Feldkurat_Katz (What no women’s magazine ever offers to improve is women’s minds - Taki)
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To: Feldkurat_Katz
The amount of time one has to spend in educational institutions is a problem. It would actually make more sense for young women do college on a slow track while having kids in the meantime.

The majority of people in college today have no business being there. Likewise, high school is mostly a daycare center for teens.

If you aren't doing calculus by age 14, I see little point in continuing the education sham. Go do something real instead.

171 posted on 09/15/2005 3:34:50 PM PDT by AdamSelene235 (Truth has become so rare and precious she is always attended to by a bodyguard of lies.)
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To: Melas
People with children conveniently forget the rest of us are covering them too.

I'm about to do the same myself.........it's nearly time to go over homework.

172 posted on 09/15/2005 3:39:56 PM PDT by Gabz ((Chincoteague, VA) USSG Warning: portable sewing machines cause broken ankles)
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To: GovernmentShrinker
There shouldn't BE a public school system.

Be that as it may, there is a public school system and it is not a new phenomena.

It's just one more socialist wealth redistribution scheme.

Bravo sierra - some of the ideas being touted in some school systems may be socialist, but that is another issue.

But people who put their kids in public schools, pay a tiny fraction of those kids' tab in taxes, and then claim to be supporting their own children, are either clueless or lying.

Both my husband and I were in our 40s before our daughter began attending a public school. My brother and I each spent 12 years in Catholic schools, even though my parents were paying taxes for public schools. Same with my mother and her sister.

So please don't talk to me about not paying my tab.

As was said in an earlier post - homeschooling is not an option for everyone - and that includes this family. Private school is also out because that would entail my returning to work and having some kind of daycare arrangements for our daughter.......and the nearest one is 45 miles away.

If you are so against public education and the taxes you pay for it - talk your your state legislators, but get off the back of those of us who have made decisions and sacrifices based upon what we believe is best for our children.

173 posted on 09/15/2005 4:01:14 PM PDT by Gabz ((Chincoteague, VA) USSG Warning: portable sewing machines cause broken ankles)
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To: GovernmentShrinker
I am paying WAY more in taxes than I use in any form of taxpayer funded services.

So am I. What is your point?

174 posted on 09/15/2005 4:06:33 PM PDT by Gabz ((Chincoteague, VA) USSG Warning: portable sewing machines cause broken ankles)
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To: AdamSelene235
The majority of people in college today have no business being there. Likewise, high school is mostly a daycare center for teens.

If you aren't doing calculus by age 14, I see little point in continuing the education sham. Go do something real instead.

Having done calculus at 14, I can't protest. Seriously, I agree with you - the idea of university education as a mass product is one of the silliest and costliest 20th century inventions.

175 posted on 09/15/2005 4:08:07 PM PDT by Feldkurat_Katz (What no women’s magazine ever offers to improve is women’s minds - Taki)
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To: AdamSelene235
If you aren't doing calculus by age 14, I see little point in continuing the education sham.

You are kidding, aren't you?

There are people that are not very good at mathematics, and have no interest in it, so what is your point? Are you saying those without math aptitude should not have an education?

176 posted on 09/15/2005 4:10:51 PM PDT by Gabz ((Chincoteague, VA) USSG Warning: portable sewing machines cause broken ankles)
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To: Melas
Please ignore my previous response to you - I got sidetracked with the homework and didn't preview before posting.

The part of your post to me I meant to highlight was:

I just gave up.

My apologies.

177 posted on 09/15/2005 4:13:23 PM PDT by Gabz ((Chincoteague, VA) USSG Warning: portable sewing machines cause broken ankles)
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To: ShadowDancer
This moron just described the Baby Boomers to a T.

That is precisely what I was thinking. I believe that Australia must be a generation behind the U.S. I have found that it is the Boomers who rejected family/aborted their babies/and "lived" together without benefit of marriage. The GenXers have seen the sorry results and have opted for family. So sad when people can't realize that not reproducing is the same as signing their death warrant. The population producers rule the world by virtue of numbers. Advice for the future: learn to speak Spanish.

178 posted on 09/15/2005 5:58:36 PM PDT by WVNan
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To: Gabz
Anyone who cannot cope with mathematics is not fully human. At best he is a tolerable subhuman who has learned to wear shoes, bathe, and not make messes in the house. -Heinlein
179 posted on 09/15/2005 7:06:24 PM PDT by AdamSelene235 (Truth has become so rare and precious she is always attended to by a bodyguard of lies.)
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To: tortoise
Unfortunately, it is unambiguously almost the worst time by most other important metrics. Our environment is evolving faster than our biology.

We're humans, remember? We create our own environment. Any environment (read, society) that does not jive with our biological and emotional needs invariably leads to ill health, in body, mind and spirit. Hence the ubiquity of mental illness in our society. As Jung once said, if the majority of society were practicing Catholics, he'd be out of business.
180 posted on 09/15/2005 7:10:36 PM PDT by Antoninus (The greatest gifts parents can give their children are siblings.)
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